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Tom
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   Posted 7/15/2008 10:34 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQmz6Rbpnu0
 
 
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One Love
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   Posted 7/15/2008 5:27 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hellified.

Lord have mercy upon us.


Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Look! God's dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God."

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Tom
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   Posted 7/16/2008 1:21 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Wasn't she awesome?

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One Love
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   Posted 7/16/2008 4:54 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
And just as appropriate today as in '92...


Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Look! God's dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God."

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Sahid
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   Posted 7/18/2008 1:50 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
She was awesome. But corporate interests write the laws and own the politicians. As long as fossil fuels remain the cheapest form of energy (in terms of dollars, not lives) and as long as oligarchy-dressed-up-as-democracy is the primary form of government worldwide, I'm pessimistic that peaceful means will be effective in making significant changes. Public opinion over most of the world (notably including the U.S.) is in favor of things like Kyoto. If only government represented the people...


Watch me fly. Freedom like wings and I will use them. Freedom like wings and I will spread them wide. - Stavesacre

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   Posted 7/19/2008 10:42 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

This is her here today:  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7236803591204042715 and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severn_Cullis-Suzuki

Don't know if you guys in the States know of her father, but her dad, David Suzuki, is the patron saint of the environmentalist movement here in Canada. 

So check this out.  Put aside what you think about the environmental debate and whether you think your car is a major destroyer of the environment for a second.  David has this foundation and they make sure that the Kyoto Agreement is impletmented by the UN to reduce greenhouse gases.  Well, the United States doesn't abide by the Kyoto Agreement but Canada does.  So...every couple of years I have to have an emissions test done on my car--to ultimately be in conformity with the Kyoto Agreement (which by the way does not apply across Canada).  If it doesn't pass the test, I have to either fix it for at least $400 or I can buy an extension every couple of weeks until I come up with the money to fix it.  Also, if I get caught driving without a proper sticker, the popo can penalize me.  One time I was caught and I had to pay $150.  That was about 5-6 years ago.

Now does this make sense?  So here is my car polluting the atmosphere and yet I'm allowed to continually extend putting off fixing the damn thing and driving around with bad emissions.  Most people fix the problem because after a while it can get pretty expensive.  But that's the point.  On the one hand the government in Canada will allow you to drive around a piece of crap, blowing smoke, yada, yada, yada....as long as you can pay for it!  Is this really environmentally conscious?

Second, if your car is over 20 years old?  You don't need emissions testing.  Most cars see the junkyard before that time. But hey, if your car does happen to make it to that point, you can drive it around and pollute the atmosphere!

Third, why don't they make emissions testing every year or every few months?  Seriously, by the time the two year emissions testing comes up and you have to fix your car, who knows how long you have been driving around polluting the environment so badly?  Eight months?  Nine months?  A year?  A year and a half?

Fourthly, I blame the damned Americans.  I live on the border to Detroit.  Americans come to Canada.  Americans don't abide by Kyoto.  So WHY THE HELL do Americans get to drive in MY country, polluting MY environment with their polluting cars?  You know why?  Because Canadians NEED Americans and they need the American greenback and so they can come over here and not abide by our laws, but poor little Brandon here HAS TO or else I pay stiffly.  Yeah.  Right up the butt.  No.  I don't blame the Americans.  I was just joking.  But it CERTAINLY is hypocritical of our provincial government to, on the one hand allow bad polluting cars to come over from the States (which by the way, the last time I looked, which was just yesterday, I didn't notice that there was a brick wall between Windsor and Detroit, so I can't be too sure that pollution from cars in Detroit aren't reaching me. Pollution knows no boundaries.  It doesn't have to clear customs) and yet tell its own citizens that they must abide by a "Drive Clean" program.  The bottomline is that my provincial government isn't really all that concerned about the environment.  All they care about is one thing:  $$$  This my friends is bad governing.


Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

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Tom
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   Posted 7/19/2008 10:55 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Good point Brandon!

Like Zach said, until it becomes financially more beneficial to be green than not, there won't be consistent change accross the board. The dollar is the real "green" that matters.

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BBBCanada
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   Posted 7/19/2008 11:42 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In part, because I think there are some extremists in the environmental movement and because I can't buy into everything that some environmentalist tells me and because, compared to the 70's, we have better built cars as far as emissions is concerned, I'm all for the Americans coming over to Canada in their cars, just the way they are.  I just want my government to say that it's OK for me to drive MY car without the testing.  I want them to stop being hypocritical on this.  Being that I'm right on the border, I think I tend to have a different perspective than say the guy who lives in the Northwest Territories (NWT).  They are sooo far inland and in the middle of nowhere, that this kind of issue doesn't registar on their radar.  But for me and many Ontarians, especially Southwestern Ontario it does.  Big time.  As far as Zach's and mines idea of government as an oligarchy, him and I will be on two opposite ends of the spectrum as far as government is concerned.


Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

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Sahid
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   Posted 7/19/2008 4:08 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think we can both agree that democracy is better than concentrated power. And I think we can both agree that America does not fully embody it's democratic ideals. If the majority supports Kyoto but the government does not, then can we say that we have majority rule? There is clearly something else that needs to be taken into consideration. The franchise is not distributed evenly. If you produce pharmaceuticals or petroleum, you have a much bigger vote than the homeless man.


Watch me fly. Freedom like wings and I will use them. Freedom like wings and I will spread them wide. - Stavesacre

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