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Similitude
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Posted 7/27/2008 10:28 AM (GMT -6)

Hey guys, have any of you yet seen Hasker's new book "The Triumph of God over Evil: Theodicy for a World of Suffering"? I've skipped to the last two chapters to get to the heart of the matter. From what I've read thus far, I would say that UR is the only way to do the thang. Can't wait to see how he argues it out. If you guys haven't got the book yet, I'll return to this post and talk about his major points when I'm done if ya'll are interested.

One Love
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Posted 7/27/2008 10:29 AM (GMT -6)

Please do, man! I'd love to hear about it.

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Look! God's dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God."

Tom
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Posted 7/27/2008 12:09 PM (GMT -6)

Yeah, let's do it. Sounds great.

Tom

Tom
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Posted 7/28/2008 1:42 AM (GMT -6)

I'd love to discuss this book a chapter at a time. Why don't those of us interested buy it on amazon. I'll also pay the bit extra to access the entire book online so I can keep up.

I've always found Hasker a first-rate thinker. Very thorough and to the point. This could be fun.

Tom

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Posted 7/28/2008 1:48 AM (GMT -6)

Yeah...I was wonder'n if I could buy it online as a downloadable.

Brandon

It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.

To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

Tom
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Posted 7/28/2008 2:07 AM (GMT -6)

Well, it's ordered and on its way here, but they didn't offer it as an online read. So I should get it in 4 weeks. Jeff, any way you could scan the intro and first chapter and email it to me so we can get started (if you want to that is)?

T

Tom
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Posted 7/28/2008 2:23 AM (GMT -6)

And email it to Brandon too. Then we can get started while it's being delivered.

T

Similitude
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Posted 7/28/2008 6:17 AM (GMT -6)

Yeah, I can start that attempt tonight.

Tom
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Posted 7/28/2008 7:32 AM (GMT -6)

Awesome. Thanks Jeff.

In the meantime, perhaps we could suggest glancing at just a couple of threads to clean out the cobwebs before jumping into Hasker’s book. I was looking at two older threads that might help:

The Logic of Regret thread (started 8/24/05), under The Raging Debate Continues. This is also about one of Hasker’s arguments regarding evil. It's here: http://www.opentheismboard.org/default.aspx?f=7&m=58051

And under Let’s Solve the Problem of Evil, there’s:

Hasker’s Argument for the Compatibility of God and Gratuitous Evil (3/28/05)

Natural Evil (4/14/05)

Gratuitous Evil? (4/24/03)

Tom

Post Edited (Tom) : 7/28/2008 8:52:07 AM (GMT-5)

BBBCanada
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Posted 7/28/2008 2:36 PM (GMT -6)

I'll order my book today? That means I should expect it sometime next year. biggrin

Brandon

It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.

To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

One Love
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Posted 7/28/2008 5:55 PM (GMT -6)

Good show, Tom.

This'll be fun!

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

"Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them."

Similitude
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Posted 7/28/2008 8:47 PM (GMT -6)

Sorry guys, I've been having to do on-call overtime tonight. I'll try to get some stuff out tomorrow.

Similitude
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Posted 7/31/2008 10:25 PM (GMT -6)

Sorry again, guys. Between the overtime this week and getting prepared to haul my son to Michigan tomorrow, I haven't stopped to scan those pages. I deserve to be flogged! biggrin

Anyway, I'm leaving tomorrow and we won't be back for a few days. That way we'll be getting started on the 1st chapter at the same time! biggrin

BBBCanada
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Posted 7/31/2008 11:59 PM (GMT -6)

Where's your son moving in Michigan? I'm just in Windsor, next to Detroit.

Brandon

It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.

To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

Tom
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Posted 8/1/2008 2:16 AM (GMT -6)

I think the first 'evil' we'll have to discuss is the evil Jeff is facing in trying to get the first chapter scanned. Hmmm.

T

BBBCanada
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Posted 8/1/2008 10:01 AM (GMT -6)

No....the first evil is that when I went to order the book off of Amazon...the S&H was more than the book...there has GOT to be another way...sheesh....

Brandon

It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.

To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

Similitude
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Posted 8/1/2008 12:44 PM (GMT -6)

Brandon: Where's your son moving in Michigan? I'm just in Windsor, next to Detroit.

Jeff: Ann Arbor. That ain't too far is it?

Sorry again, guys. But I'm right down to the wire. I haven't even had time to read any of the book this week. And that is EVIL. biggrin

Tom
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Posted 8/2/2008 9:40 AM (GMT -6)

Hey, let's start with Ch. 2. Laika sent me the first chapter (Thanks Laika), but it's intro stuff. Nothing there to debate really. There are a couple of interesting paragraphs we could chat about. Maybe I'll post 'em. But I guess he starts getting into things with Ch. 2.

So Jeff. Your assignment, should you accept it, is to scan Ch. 2 (and Ch. 3 if you want a promotion to Langley) for us. In the event you are captured and tortured in the course of events this Board shall deny any knowledge of your actions.

This thread will self-destruct in 5 seconds, 4, 3, 2, 1...

T

Tom
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Posted 8/2/2008 10:56 AM (GMT -6)

Looks like Laika beat you to it Jeff. Ha! Anyhow, Laika I think will post the url's for 1st and 2nd chapters. That should give us enough to chat about until everybody who ordered a copy receives it.

Thanks Laika.

Jeff is on probation. He must prove himself worthy to ride with us once again. What shall his challenge be? What say ye good fellows?

Tom

Tom
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Posted 8/2/2008 12:51 PM (GMT -6)

We'll get started in, say, a week. Sound good? Brandon, D, and Jeff, check out Laika's links down in Safe Haven One for chs 1-3 of the book. Once you've read through them, we'll start.

I think we'll conduct the convo up here on public domain though. That way the world can watch us solve the problem of evil!

T

Similitude
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Posted 8/4/2008 4:52 PM (GMT -6)

Brandon, I arrived here in Ann Arbor last night, but the hotel didn't have internet access. Just got to some now. Don't know how far you are from Ann Arbor, but if you're close enough and have enough time, I'll buy you some really good coffee!

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