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Corey
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   Posted 9/3/2008 7:24 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I happen to watch a documentary last week on the formation of the coal workers union in West Virginia back in the 20's or so. At one point the workers formed a militia of sorts and marched on a company town in armed conflict. The term "redneck" was coined here, because the workers all tied red bandanas around their necks to identify themselves; it was a makeshift uniform.

Not that that is what the term means today.


 

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   Posted 9/3/2008 7:26 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Corey,

Um.

Ok.

Do you think that Palin was referring to the coal workers in WV back in the 20s when SHE was talking about "redneck"...or more of the more modern JEFF FOXWORTHY meaning of the term?
 
What do you really think...if you had to guess about it?


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   Posted 9/3/2008 7:27 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yep. The latter.


 

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   Posted 9/3/2008 7:28 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hmmm...

Again, I (and I would bet a lot of other African-Americans) would NOT be amused or comforted by this...at all.


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   Posted 9/3/2008 7:29 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What happened to Senator Olympia Snow as a choice?  As I've been looking at her record, it seems that CNN correspondents were right.  She would have been WAY more qualified than Palin.  I was left scratching my head whenever I saw Senator Snow graciously commenting on the choice of Palin in the RNC aftermath.
 
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   Posted 9/3/2008 7:29 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I agree. I'm not defending that self-characterization.


 

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   Posted 9/3/2008 7:33 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Corey, do you feel like she's the best person the Republican Party could get for VP? Is she the best choice, IN YOUR OPINION?


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   Posted 9/3/2008 7:34 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
D: What happened to Olympia Snow as a choice?

C: From what I've gathered, Lieberman or Ridge were McCain's first choices. But they would have lost the conservative base. So he went the other direction. (I still say that Palin was intended first to shore up the base.) Anyway, Snowe would have had the same problems as Lieberman and Ridge: she's not pro-life.


 

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   Posted 9/3/2008 7:36 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Don't know if she's the best or not. Really. I probably would have picked Pawlenty.


 

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   Posted 9/3/2008 7:37 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ah, but it wasn't only the conservative base they were after. They were after the WOMAN vote...almost to the point of pandering. Olympia Snow would have been great for that. She DEFINITELY would have had more of a chance of getting the Hillary voters WITHOUT looking so much like a ploy (given her senatorial history). Now, from my perspective, the GOP have a full scale disaster on their hands. Those Palin tapes don't look very good for her at all.


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   Posted 9/3/2008 7:39 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Corey:
Don't know if she's the best or not. Really. I probably would have picked Pawlenty.

Oh, yeah. Did you hear about the Freudian slip of a lifetime?

Is there a Pawlenty on the ticket after all?

Is there a Pawlenty on the ticket after all?

Republican National Committee co-chair Jo Ann Davidson gave an early, opening speech talking about the significance of women in the party. It was at the party's 1892 convention, also in Minnesota, when two female delegates were seated for the first time.

"How fitting," she said, to be back in Minnesota as we nominate "Sarah Pawlenty, our next vice president."

The crowd went wild. She got it right on a subsequent reference: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.


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   Posted 9/3/2008 7:41 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
But do you agree with me on the prioritization of the target demographics? Dobson et. al. were advising their people to stay home, and truly, I belive the Republicans could not win without them. With the Palin selection, Dobson was on air the next retracting and urging people to follow his lead in voting for McCain. The play for the Hillary voters was gravy.

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   Posted 9/3/2008 7:43 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I hear ya. But will you agree with me that, as even KARL ROVE hinted, this was much more a POLITICALLY ADVANTAGEOUS choice than a truly GOVERNMENTAL one.

What does that say?


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   Posted 9/3/2008 7:45 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Absolutely. The pick was all about strategy to win the election, not necessarily who would be most fit for governing.

But isn't that ALWAYS the case in the VP pick? For both parties?


 

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   Posted 9/3/2008 7:49 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"Once you get to know her [Palin], you're gonna be as impressed as I am...."
--John McCain

15 minute conversation before VP nod.

Didn't find out about the pregnancy until a private conversation last week, not the "vetting" process.

Um...


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   Posted 9/3/2008 7:51 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Corey,

I know you to be a VERY conscientious person who really likes things done diligently and well, ESPECIALLY in important issues like these. I would actually AGREE with Tom on the "McCain/FORD" idea in that way. Do you really feel that McCain did all due diligence in this choice...especially with him being 72 years old (a concern that earlier in the year, McCain HIMSELF brought up)? I've been dying to know how you feel about all this.


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   Posted 9/3/2008 7:52 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
D: 15 minute conversation before VP nod.

C: Don't you think this is a caricature of the vetting process they went through? Let's be more fair. I'm fully convinced that especially the trooper thing was vetted. The pregnancy probably was, but either way I don't think it's a disqualifier.


 

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   Posted 9/3/2008 7:56 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Corey:
I'm fully convinced that especially the trooper thing was vetted.

Interesting. How have you have been convinced of this? What convinced you?

(And you've listened to those played Palin case tapes I posted, right?)


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   Posted 9/3/2008 7:58 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I have serious reservations about her qualifications for office should she find herself in the top seat for some reason. Yes.

But without intending to be polemic, I have more concern in that regard over Obama, who IS slated for the top seat.


 

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   Posted 9/3/2008 8:00 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The trooper allegations have been very public, at least in Alaska. I absolutely don't believe this was a surprise; I don't see how it's possible to NOT know about this.


 

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   Posted 9/3/2008 8:04 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Corey:
The trooper allegations have been very public, at least in Alaska. I absolutely don't believe this was a surprise; I don't see how it's possible to NOT know about this.

I don't think McCain knew about this before he chose her. I really, really don't.  I cannot imagine him listening to those tapes and CONTINUING to choose her over Pawlenty or even Snow.
 
I just can't see it.


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   Posted 9/3/2008 8:13 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yeah... I hear ya. Like I said, I probably would have picked Pawlenty instead. But McCain's "a maverick"... I think he simply made his final choice based on some personal instinct, although not blindly.

At the end of the day, it's his choice how he responds to the vetting. And that may speak to the more serious issues of his judgement and how he would handle decisions in office. But I still assume he was adequately informed of the issues before he made his decision.
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   Posted 9/3/2008 8:25 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Corey said...
Absolutely. The pick was all about strategy to win the election, not necessarily who would be most fit for governing.
 
I think that it's interesting that McCain accused Obama of being more interested in "winning an election" and not "winning a war" on the subject of Iraq, and now chose Palin, which I see him being more interested in "winning an election" instead of "protecting the country".
 
Irony?
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   Posted 9/3/2008 8:29 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Corey: (emphasis mine)
At the end of the day, it's his choice how he responds to the vetting. And that may speak to the more serious issues of his judgement and how he would handle decisions in office. But I still assume he was adequately informed of the issues before he made his decision.

Exactamundo.


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   Posted 9/3/2008 8:53 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
But every leader must have a set of principles that can't be compromised -- otherwise everything is transactional, everything for sale. When McCain is willing to sign away the principle derived from what is the defining moment of his life, then the question is what core of character remains?
 

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