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Tom
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| Posted 10/11/2008 3:15 AM (GMT -6) |   | That's so bogus dude. Rip one side for X, Y, and Z but not the other.
Not the D I know.
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Tom
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| Posted 10/11/2008 3:19 AM (GMT -6) | | And all those evangelical Christians who are compaigning for Obama because he's SUCH a man of integrity?
Right.
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One Love
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| Posted 10/11/2008 3:19 AM (GMT -6) | | Tom:
That's so bogus dude. Ripe one side for X, Y, and Z but not the other.
Not the D I know.
Please, Tom. I've been very consistent this whole dang thread, man. This is NOTHING NEW here. PLEASE stop making it seem like this is primarily about Obama. It's NOT. It's about the person chosen by McCain to get the EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE vote.
Do...you...understand...the...words...that...are...coming...out...of...my...mouth?
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One Love
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One Love
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| Posted 10/11/2008 3:25 AM (GMT -6) | | Bringin the prayer up to this next page...
Lord Jesus,
As You will, speak to me today specifically about America's "white supremacy" issue. Lead me in Your working in that. Lead me to whatever You want me to do or see such that I move further into Your Will on this issue. As You speak to me and reveal Your Working to me, I commit to continue following Your leading. I trust that You will speak to me. And I pray, by Your Power, the ears to hear Your Voice clearly. And I praise You for Your Working.
Amen.
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Tom
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| Posted 10/11/2008 3:25 AM (GMT -6) | | The point is 32 pages about the lack of integrity on one side of the equation and none about the lack of integrity on the other, all the while complaining about Christians who support McCain because he's a man of integrity who shares our values but saying nothing in comparison about those Christians who support Obama because he's a man of integrity who shares our values.
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| Posted 10/11/2008 3:27 AM (GMT -6) | | I realize your wanting to expose those Christians who support McCain/Palin on the basis of their believe that M/P possess integrity and share our values. But Christians who support O/B do so FOR THE SAME REASONS while O/B are also disingenuous and lack integrity. The same thing is happening on that side. That's my point.
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One Love
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| Posted 10/11/2008 3:27 AM (GMT -6) | | Tom:
The point is 32 pages about the lack of integrity on one side of the equation and none about the lack of integrity on the other, all the while complaining about Christians who support McCain because he's a man of integrity who shares our values but saying nothing in comparison about those Christians who support Obama because he's a man of integrity who shares our values.
Dude, like I told Corey. If you want to start a thread on Barack Obama or his choice of Biden, go for it. For real. THIS THREAD ain't about that. Do what you do. But this thread deals with Palin (and McCain) SPECIFICALLY because of the sensationalism of the choice AND it's draw and impact on conservative evangelical Christians. (Again, Dr. Dobson came on board RIGHT AFTER Palin's choice.)
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One Love
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| Posted 10/11/2008 3:33 AM (GMT -6) | | Tom:
I just expected you to be more even handed and fair in taken all the evidence into consideration. There's certainly no statute that you've broken!
All these pages and I'm NOT taking in "all the evidence" I can find about Palin, her history, and behavior?
Uh....
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One Love
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| Posted 10/11/2008 3:35 AM (GMT -6) | | Tom. You are TRULY amazing, dawg. You are BENT on trying to bring Barack into this discussion on Palin.
Why do people DO this?
Whatever. 
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| Posted 10/11/2008 3:37 AM (GMT -6) | | ALL the evidence demonstrating the SORT of thing you're objecting to (in the case of Christian support for M/P) but which is happening with O/B as well with little or no mention of it by you.
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Tom
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| Posted 10/11/2008 3:43 AM (GMT -6) | | D: Tom. You are TRULY amazing, dawg. You are BENT on trying to bring Barack into this discussion on Palin.
T: No. I'm trying to show you that the ISSUE behind your passion for M/P is equally behind O/B. The latter demonstrate lack of integrity as well. And the latter are equally supported by Christian leaders on the basis of the claim that O/B possess integrity (unlike M/P) and share our values as Christians.
If God is embarrassed by Dobson, he ought to be embarrassed by McClaren.
It's not about Barak for me. It's about pointing out the one-sidedness to your whole argument. What you complain about in M/P and their CHristian supporters is present in O/B and their Christian supporters. But you only complain about the former.
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One Love
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| Posted 10/11/2008 3:47 AM (GMT -6) | | Just answer these questions, Tom.
1) Did Obama pick Biden PRIMARILY to rally an evangelical Christian base?
2) Did McCain pick Palin PRIMARILY to rally an evangelical Christian base?
3) Did Biden make Christian values a PRIMARY PLATFORM from whence to try to get approval of his people...to the same extent that Palin did?
So, we can see some DIFFERENCES here...Mr-Sort-by-Difference...
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| Posted 10/11/2008 5:26 AM (GMT -6) | | | From Sarah Palin's wikipedia page...
Public Safety Commissioner dismissal
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Sarah Palin dismissed Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan on July 11, 2008, citing performance-related issues, such as not being "a team player on budgeting issues."[115][116] Monegan said that he had resisted subtle but persistent pressure from the Governor, her husband, and her staff, including State Attorney General Talis Colberg, to fire Palin’s ex-brother-in-law, state trooper Mike Wooten; Wooten was involved in a child custody battle with Palin’s sister that included an alleged death threat against Palin's father.[117][118][119] Monegan told the Palins that there was nothing he could do because the matter was closed.[117] Monegan initially said he was not certain why he was dismissed but that his refusal to fire Wooten could have been connected,[119] and he later asserted that the dispute over Wooten was a major reason for his firing.[120] Palin stated on July 17 that Monegan was not pressured to fire Wooten, nor dismissed for not doing so.[115][117] Monegan's replacement resigned on July 25, amid charges of sexual harassment in his previous job.[121][122]
The Alaska Legislature hired an investigator, Stephen Branchflower, on August 1 to review the Monegan dismissal; the atmosphere was bipartisan and Palin pledged to cooperate.[123][124] After ordering her own internal investigation, Palin acknowledged on August 13 that "pressure could have been perceived to exist, although I have only now become aware of it."[125][126][127] Palin announced that officials had contacted Monegan or his staff about two dozen times regarding Wooten,[117] that she had only known about some of those contacts, that many of those contacts were appropriate, and that she had not fired Monegan because of Wooten,[128] who remained employed as a state trooper.[129] She placed an aide on paid leave due to one tape-recorded contact that she deemed improper.[127]
Several weeks after the start of what the media referred to as "troopergate", Palin was chosen as John McCain's running mate.[123] Then, an opponent of hers in the legislature speculated about damage to her administration,[130] subpoenas were issued, and Palin stopped cooperating.[123] On September 1, Palin asked the legislature to drop its investigation, saying that the state Personnel Board had jurisdiction over ethics issues.[131] Palin also asked the Board to review the matter,[132] and on September 15, filed arguments of "no probable cause" with them.[133][134] On September 19, the Governor's husband and several state employees refused to honor subpoenas, the validity of which were disputed by Talis Colberg, Palin's appointee as Alaska's Attorney General.[135] On October 2, a court rejected Colberg's challenge to the subpoenas,[136] and seven of the witnesses, not including Sarah and Todd Palin, eventually did testify.[137]
On October 10, 2008, the Republican-dominated Alaska Legislative Council unanimously voted to release the Branchflower investigative report[138] which found that Sarah Palin unlawfully "abused her power" as governor and violated the state's Ethics Act[139] when her office pressured Monegan to fire Wooten, but that firing Monegan "was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority". The report also found that Colberg had failed to cooperate fully with the investigation.[140]
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Sahid
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| Posted 10/11/2008 7:37 AM (GMT -6) | | Both the Republican and Democratic candidates will say whatever they think will satisfy their desire for power and prestige. Nothing new.
If the point of this thread is to give help in deciding who to vote for...
then anyone concerned with exposing one candidate's faults should be equally concerned with exposing the other candidate's faults.
If the point of this thread is NOT to give help in deciding who to vote for...
then we need to reconsider the Christlikeness of posting 32 pages of taking the speck out of our sister's eye.
What are we to do when a brother or sister sins?
"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector."
This seems like a one-sided political rant with the goal of making Obama look good by comparison. I don't think you need so many words to make that point. McCain is a mass murderer. Obama has only threatened mass murder, so he is therefore morally superior. QED.
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One Love
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| Posted 10/11/2008 8:45 AM (GMT -6) | | |
Zach
So Palin is bad, why should I care?
I don't know. Don't care...if that's your thing. Do whatever you do. You are completely exempted from reading or contributing to this rant.
Thanks for your perspective, Zach.
Have a nice day.
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