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|  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 10/11/2008 8:57 AM (GMT -6) |   | Sigh....she's denying things again...
Asked by a reporter if she abused her power, Palin shook her head and said, "“No.”
She added, “And if you read the report, you’ll see that there was nothing unlawful or unethical about replacing a cabinet member. You got to read the report, sir.”
I could MAYBE even understand that "nothing unlawful". That's gonna be the standard answer. But nothing "unethical"?? It's IN THE REPORT that she did stuff seen as "unethical". That's the whole point of saying she that HOW she handled things with regard to the replacement were NOT totally ethical.
Dang.
"The strong and demonstrated tendency to falsify even easily researchable facts for their own political ambition and gain...without taking responsibility (refusing to "own up" ) to the falsification when the falsification has been recognized by others."
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 |  Corey Five with a Four-wing

Date Joined Feb 2003 Total Posts : 1893 | Posted 10/11/2008 12:23 PM (GMT -6) |   | This is worth reading: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-10/the-conservative-case-for-obama
John McCain has changed. He said, famously, apropos the Republican debacle post-1994, “We came to Washington to change it, and Washington changed us.” This campaign has changed John McCain. It has made him inauthentic. A once-first class temperament has become irascible and snarly; his positions change, and lack coherence; he makes unrealistic promises, such as balancing the federal budget “by the end of my first term.” Who, really, believes that? Then there was the self-dramatizing and feckless suspension of his campaign over the financial crisis. His ninth-inning attack ads are mean-spirited and pointless. And finally, not to belabor it, there was the Palin nomination. What on earth can he have been thinking?
All this is genuinely saddening, and for the country is perhaps even tragic, for America ought, really, to be governed by men like John McCain—who have spent their entire lives in its service, even willing to give the last full measure of their devotion to it. If he goes out losing ugly, it will be beyond tragic, graffiti on a marble bust.
Unfortunately, I can't concur with Buckley's optimistic hope that, "having a first-class temperament and a first-class intellect, President Obama will (I pray, secularly) surely understand that traditional left-politics aren’t going to get us out of this pit we’ve dug for ourselves." This is far from "sure" for me.
What, exactly, is the conservative case for Obama, as the title of the article indicates? Post Edited (Corey) : 10/11/2008 12:44:47 PM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Tom Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 10353 | Posted 10/11/2008 12:51 PM (GMT -6) |   | "Graffiti on a marble bust." That 'bout says it for McCain. Sad. Here's a guy who endured torture AND sustained the optimism of others being tortured and kept them alive. What happened to the patience? Who knows.
And you're right to question Buckley re: Obama too Corey.
It's all so sad.
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 |  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 10/12/2008 6:32 AM (GMT -6) |   | Yeah...about those evangelicals that I kept talking about that McCain has tried to court...
Speaker at McCain rally says non-Christians want an Obama win
DAVENPORT, Iowa (CNN) – A minister delivering the invocation at John McCain’s rally in Davenport, Iowa Saturday told the crowd non-Christian religions around the world were praying for Barack Obama to win the U.S. presidential election.
“There are millions of people around this world praying to their god—whether it’s Hindu, Buddha, Allah—that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons. And Lord, I pray that you will guard your own reputation, because they’re going to think that their God is bigger than you, if that happens,” said Arnold Conrad, the former pastor of Grace Evangelical Free Church in Davenport.
The remark was made before McCain arrived at the rally but the Republican nominee's campaign quickly put out a statement distancing itself from the remarks.
“While we understand the important role that faith plays in informing the votes of Iowans, questions about the religious background of the candidates only serve to distract from the real questions in this race about Barack Obama's judgment, policies and readiness to lead as commander in chief,” said McCain campaign spokesperson Wendy Riemann.
This incident comes a day after a Minnesota voter asked Senator McCain if Barack Obama was an Arab at a town hall in Lakeville, Minnesota and just three days after Lehigh GOP County Chairman Bill Platt made a speech at a McCain rally in Pennsylvania where he refered to the Democrat nominee for president as Barack Hussein Obama.
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Hmmm...trying to put the proverbial genie back in the bottle won't work. It's too late for that. People have BEEN thinking this kind of thing. It's significantly his BASE.
Again, this VERY THING is why I'm focussing on McCain and Palin. This is an outcome of SPECIFIC TACTICS to woo conservative Christian evangelicals over with the whole culture war thing.
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 |  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 10/12/2008 6:39 AM (GMT -6) |   | Report: Palin didn't fear for safety One of the paramount reasons that Gov. Sarah Palin and her husband have given for voicing concerns to Alaska public-safety officials about former brother-in-law Michael Wooten is that they and their relatives live in fear of him.
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One of the paramount reasons that Gov. Sarah Palin and her husband have given for voicing concerns to Alaska public-safety officials about former brother-in-law Michael Wooten is that they and their relatives live in fear of him.
They have complained that Wooten made threats of violence against the family, used a Taser on his 10-year-old stepson and generally has struggled to control his anger.
But an independent investigator for the state Legislature — who has concluded that Palin abused the powers of her office by pressuring subordinates to dismiss the trooper — contends that the claims of fear were a facade to mask a maneuver in a family dispute.
In a report released Friday on the so-called "Troopergate" scandal, the investigator, Stephen Branchflower, said evidence, such as the governor's decision to reduce the manpower of her security detail, showed that "such claims of fear were not bona fide and were offered to provide cover for the Palins' real motivation: to get Wooten fired for personal family related reasons."
Branchflower described what he considers another inconsistency: If Wooten was inclined to harm any of the Palins, having him terminated could lead to an act of retaliation. Forcing him out of his job "would not have de-escalated the situation or provided" Palin or her family with "greater security," the report stated.
In other words...she lied about it. Her story has changed about Monegan's dismissal at LEAST twice before the actual meeting of the Council.
And about that Matthew 18 thing...she's refusing to admit any wrong doing, regardless of WHO'S asking her to ante up (Democrats OR Republicans). She's not taking ANY advice on this, it seems...so...
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 |  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 10/12/2008 6:39 PM (GMT -6) |   | |
Still praying for Palin as I write this right now...
Palin Makes Troopergate Assertions that Are Flatly False ABC News
She is RAPIDLY loosing any chance of political recovery. She's demonstrating herself to be a compulsive, unrepentant liar on easily falsifiable things. (Some people really DO think she may have some kind of emotional problem!) I PRAY that she starts making better decisions. Seriously.
Still praying for you and Tom as well, Corey...
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"Governor," asked a reporter with the Anchorage Daily News, "finding Number One on the report was that you abused your power by violating state law. Do you think you did anything wrong at all in this Troopergate case?"
"Not at all and I’ll tell you, it, I think that you’re always going to ruffle feathers as you do what you believe is in the best interest of the people whom you are serving," Palin said. "In this case I knew that I had to have the right people in the right position at the right time in this cabinet to best serve Alaskans, and Walt Monegan was not the right person at the right time to meet the goals that we had set out in our administration. So no, not having done anything wrong, and again very much appreciating being cleared of any legal wrongdoing or unethical activity at all."
Again, not true.
She was NOT cleared, certainly not of "unethical activity."
In Altoona, Pa., at the flagship Sheetz gas station, Palin was asked to elaborate about her assertion that there was nothing "unethical or unlawful that was done."
"I'm thankful that the report has shown that, that there was no illegal or unethical activity there in my choice to replace our commissioner, so, now we look forward to working with the personnel board that the entity that is charged with looking into any activity of a governor, the lieutenant governor, or an attorney general," Palin said.
That came closer to the truth. The report did in fact conclude that Palin had the power to fire Monegan.
"Governor, if I can follow up," a reporter said, "the report says that you did abuse your authority in trying to get Officer Wooten fired. How do you respond to that charge?"
"There was no abuse of authority at all in trying to get Officer Wooten fired," Palin said.
If she was stating that as her opinion, fine, but if she was stating that as the conclusion of the report, that's false.
"In fact, remember, Officer Wooten is still an Alaska state trooper, which is up to the commissioner, top brass in the department of public safety to decide who is worthy of wearing a badge and carrying a gun in the state of Alaska," Palin said. "And if they think that Trooper Wooten is worthy of that, that's their decision. I don't micromanage my commissioners and ask them to hire or fire anyone, and thankfully the truth was revealed there in that report, that showed that there was no unlawful nor unethical activity on my part."
Again, not true.
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 |  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 10/12/2008 6:47 PM (GMT -6) |   | I knew Mr. Sulllivan would have something to say...from his "Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin" ongoing segment...
Again: this is the clear pattern with Palin: she publicly denies reality, insists on repeating that denial and is unable to deal with real world the way psychologically healthy people do. That's why I called her lies "odd lies." They are not the lies of a devious politician. They are much more troubling than that. They reflect a psyche unable to process fact when it conflicts with a delusional self-image. She is even worse in this psychotic denialism than Bush. She is a politician who can only survive in a propaganda state.
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 |  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 10/13/2008 6:39 AM (GMT -6) |   | I saw this...and instantly thought about Corey.
Palin has mixed record as fiscal conservative By Matt Volz Associated Press
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican nominee for vice president, bills herself as a fiscal conservative. But her record looks little like the classic conservative who favors less government and lower taxes.
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 |  Tom Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 10353 | Posted 10/13/2008 8:40 AM (GMT -6) |   | Less government and lower taxes ARE what constitute fiscal conservatism.
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   |  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 10/13/2008 10:02 AM (GMT -6) |   | | | |
 |  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 10/13/2008 10:14 AM (GMT -6) |   | Two thoughts that had occurred to me...that I posted on this thread around a month ago. A sentiment I've SEEN expressed by now LOTS of others on blogs and comments...
"Mommy, the Emperor's naked!"
and...
"Give us Barabbas!"
  
here...
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  |  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 10/13/2008 1:05 PM (GMT -6) |   | Sorry you're bored. You can go and do that thread on a positive (yet, critical?) case for Obama, with respect to the economic crisis, if you wish. I bet you could do a great job on that one. I'll wait for it.
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 |  Tom Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 10353 | Posted 10/14/2008 8:50 AM (GMT -6) |   | | | |
  |  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 10/22/2008 1:58 PM (GMT -6) |   | Let's proceed prayerfully then. I'm game. I love you guys!!
FINDLAY, Ohio (CNN) –- In an interview posted online Wednesday, Sarah Palin told Dr. James Dobson of “Focus on the Family” that she is confident God will do “the right thing for America” on Nov. 4.
Dobson asked the vice presidential hopeful if she is concerned about John McCain’s sagging poll numbers, but Palin stressed that she was “not discouraged at all.”
“To me, it motivates us, makes us work that much harder,” she told the influential Christian leader, whose radio show reaches tens of millions of listeners daily. “And it also strengthens my faith because I know at the end of the day putting this in God’s hands, the right thing for America will be done, at the end of the day on Nov. 4.”
Dobson praised Palin's opposition to abortion rights, to which the governor affirmed that she is “hardcore pro-life.”
She said giving birth to her son Trig, who has Down syndrome, has given her the opportunity “to be walking the walk and not just talking the talk” in her long-standing opposition to abortion.
Dobson — who has never been warm to McCain — asked Palin if her “private conversations” with the GOP nominee had revealed a true commitment to the Republican party’s pro-life platform, which calls for a constitutional amendment banning abortions.
"I do, from the bottom of my heart," Palin assured Dobson. “John McCain is solidly there on those solid planks in our platform that build the right agenda for America.”
She also thanked her supporters — including Dobson, who said he and his wife were asking “for God’s intervention” on election day — for their prayers of support.
“It is that intercession that is so needed,” she said. “And so greatly appreciated. And I can feel it too, Dr. Dobson. I can feel the power of prayer, and that strength that is provided through our prayer warriors across this nation. And I so appreciate it.”
The interview was taped on Monday by phone while Palin was campaigning in Colorado Springs, where “Focus on the Family” is headquartered.
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Ummm...right beside this...
Sarah Palin is taking heat Wednesday for appearing to overstate the role of vice president, saying in a recent interview that she would be "in charge of the Senate" should John McCain win the White House.
The comments came in an interview with Colorado TV station KUSA in response to a third-grader's question, "What does the Vice President do?”
"[T]hey’re in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom," she said.
Right now, I don't know which concerns me more...
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 |  Tom Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 10353 | Posted 10/24/2008 9:29 AM (GMT -6) |   | REPORT: Gov. Palin told James Dobson that God will do 'the right thing' on election day. FINDLAY, Ohio (CNN) –- In an interview posted online Wednesday, Sarah Palin told Dr. James Dobson of “Focus on the Family” that she is confident God will do “the right thing for America” on Nov. 4. Dobson asked the vice presidential hopeful if she is concerned about John McCain’s sagging poll numbers, but Palin stressed that she was “not discouraged at all.” “To me, it motivates us, makes us work that much harder.”
Tom: Dude, if McCain's sagging poll numbers "makes [you] work that much harder," then OF COURSE they're "concerned" about those number. If you're not concerned about them they wouldn't motivate you to work harder. Sheesh.
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Having said that, look at how the reporter spun Palin's actual words to make her say something a bit more than she ACTUALLY said.
The reporter: "In an interview posted online Wednesday, Sarah Palin told Dr. James Dobson of 'Focus on the Family' that she is confident God will do “the right thing for America” on Nov. 4.
Now, look at what's quoted of her and then how that's worked into the reporters spin. Palin actually said, "I know at the end of the day putting this in God’s hands, the right thing for America will be done." She doesn't actually make God the subject of the passive verb "will be done." That's left open. But the reporter presents Palin as expressing confidence that God will do the right thing on Nov. 4th. You might say I'm nit-picking, but not when reporters are in a feeding frenzy.
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  |  Tom Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 10353 | Posted 10/24/2008 10:26 AM (GMT -6) |   | I was kinda hoping Palin would believe that regardless of who gets elected, God's work in the world would continue on through the Church since that's where God brings his Kingdom to the world.
I guess she ain't gonna say that, eh?
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  |  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 10/25/2008 9:30 AM (GMT -6) |   | So, I guess we're back on some "To Kill A Mockingbird"* stuff...
here...
here...
here...
here...
What do you see, Corey?
* On "To Kill a Mockingbird" from wiki...
To Kill a Mockingbird is a Pulitzer Prize-winning novel by Harper Lee published in 1960. It was instantly successful and has become a classic of modern American fiction. The novel is loosely based on the author's observations of her family and neighbors, as well as on an event that occurred near her hometown in 1936, when she was 10 years old.
The novel is renowned for its warmth and humor, despite dealing with serious issues of rape and racial inequality. The narrator's father, Atticus Finch, has served as a moral hero for many readers and as a model of integrity for lawyers. One critic explained the novel's impact by writing, "In the twentieth century, To Kill a Mockingbird is probably the most widely read book dealing with race in America, and its protagonist, Atticus Finch, the most enduring fictional image of racial heroism."[
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 10/25/2008 9:37 AM (GMT -6) |   | | | |
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 10/25/2008 9:43 AM (GMT -6) |   | Corey, after looking at all of the links on the first post there...what do you think about...
1) the McCain campaign. 2) FoxNews. 3) racism complicity.
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