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Corey
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   Posted 10/25/2008 9:44 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
D: What do you see, Corey?

Corey: A mentally ill young woman, sickly outworking some of the darkest elements of the matrix. Do you expect I should I defend her actions? I don't. But I do pray for her healing.

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   Posted 10/25/2008 9:46 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
See with me, brother.


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   Posted 10/25/2008 9:48 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Don't just focus on the woman. (I am actively praying for her as well. She's obviously got mad issues) Focus on how OTHERS PICKED UP on this...and the CONTEXT that allowed such things to happen.


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   Posted 10/25/2008 9:49 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Focus on the SYSTEM with me.


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   Posted 10/25/2008 9:50 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Whole thread


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   Posted 10/25/2008 9:53 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

A prayer for myself...

Lord Jesus,

As You will, speak to me today specifically about America's "white supremacy" issue. Lead me in Your working in that. Lead me to whatever You want me to do or see such that I move further into Your Will on this issue. As You speak to me and reveal Your Working to me, I commit to continue following Your leading. I trust that You will speak to me. And I pray, by Your Power, the ears to hear Your Voice clearly. And I praise You for Your Working.

Amen.


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Corey
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   Posted 10/25/2008 10:12 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
D: Focus on the SYSTEM with me.

Corey: I see very clearly that this enmeshed person knew how to exploit the system to supposedly advance her agenda. She knew the buttons were real, and they are. It wasn't difficult at all for her to cause a resonance, and that's not about her, that about all the stuff doing the resonating.


 

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   Posted 10/25/2008 10:32 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't know that I would call clinic bombers "terrorists" either. Depends on how you define the word. In a very general sense, sure, anybody who does something that causes terror in another is a teRORist. Come on. But we're talking about something far more specific. In my understanding, the more appropriate use of the term describes people who seek through violent means and terror to destabilize whole societies for political gain and upheaval. In that sense, no, people who bomb abortion clinics aren't 'terrorists'. Palin's right.

What she did NOT say was that bombing clinics is a good thing that we should all support and defend. THAT'S the point.

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   Posted 10/25/2008 10:34 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
WTF?

Ok, then, Tom. Help me understand your perspective here?

Was Timothy McVeigh a terrorist? If so, why? If not, why not?


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   Posted 10/25/2008 10:39 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Corey:
I see very clearly that this enmeshed person knew how to exploit the system to supposedly advance her agenda. She knew the buttons were real, and they are. It wasn't difficult at all for her to cause a resonance, and that's not about her, that about all the stuff doing the resonating.

Ok. So did you see any way in this situation that the McCain campaign used those SAME BUTTONS, through this situation?

Thinking about the "Countdown" video...and what was said.


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   Posted 10/25/2008 10:47 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
D: So did you see any way in this situation that the McCain campaign used those SAME BUTTONS, through this situation?

C: I absolutely do.

Do you see how Olberman and others are also exploiting those buttons? The sickness bounces and ripples all around the pond.


 

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   Posted 10/25/2008 10:54 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
D, believe me dude, this is JUST about definitions and categories. Why argue about how each of us chooses to CATEGORIZE actions we both agree are properly believed to be EVIL? Big deal. You wanna call anybody who kills innocent bystanders a "terrorist"? I choose to reserve the term for politically motivated actions that aim to disrupt society at a slightly higher level. McVeigh seems to qualify under the latter. But who cares what we CALL it? Point is, the reporter implicitly attempts to paint a picture of Palin as supporting those who bomb abortion clinics, in favor of that particular form of violence. The unspoken assumption of the reporter is that anyone who refuses to NAME abortion clinic bombers as "terrorists" must be unable to disapprove of such bombings, and that's crap.

Marry and have sex with your first cousin in one state and you're fine. Do it in another state and you've committed incest. Definitions.

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   Posted 10/26/2008 7:51 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/currents/20081026_Palin_deserves_our_respect.html
 
"I was present at an Obama rally at which the mention of Palin's name drew shouts of 'stone her.'"
 
Give us Barak; stone that one.

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   Posted 10/26/2008 8:11 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
We're between the devil and the deep blue sea!

Ha!

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   Posted 10/26/2008 9:57 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
1) Nastiness is nastiness, wherever it is. And that's just nasty. This stuff shouldn't be happening anywhere. Not with Palin...or McCain...or Biden...or Obama. This thing is getting really ugly and sordid.

2) The FIRST SET of "Bros over Hoes" shirt (openly misogynistic) that I had seen was during the Clinton/Obama primaries...and Obama had to say something about that then. I've hated the misogyny and sexism to begin with...including that shown by Palin's supporters at the RNC. (We vote for the Hot Chick!, etc.)  As I recall, I mentioned this like way early on at the beginning of this thread.  I thought that it sucked that not NEARLY as much of the "sexism" stuff was brought against the Republicans treatment of Hilllary, either.  But....

3) Kristol Rips McCain Camp, RNC for Handling of Palin
Huffington Post
Oct. 26th, 2008


Bill Kristol, who has been, perhaps, the biggest Sarah Palin partisan of the pundit class, leveled some harsh criticisms at the McCain campaign Sunday for what he deemed to be a mismanagement of the vice presidential rollout, petty infighting, and leaving the Alaska Governor out on a limb after it was revealed the RNC had paid $150,000 in clothing for her.


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   Posted 10/31/2008 3:27 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sarah Palin speaks on the First Amendment
Glenn Greenwald

Somehow, in Sarah Palin's brain, it's a threat to the First Amendment when newspapers criticize her negative attacks on Barack Obama.  This is actually so dumb that it hurts:

In a conservative radio interview that aired in Washington, D.C. Friday morning, Republican vice presidential nominee Gov. Sarah Palin said she fears her First Amendment rights may be threatened by "attacks" from reporters who suggest she is engaging in a negative campaign against Barack Obama.

Palin told WMAL-AM that her criticism of Obama's associations, like those with 1960s radical Bill Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, should not be considered negative attacks. Rather, for reporters or columnists to suggest that it is going negative may constitute an attack that threatens a candidate's free speech rights under the Constitution, Palin said.

"If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations," Palin told host Chris Plante, "then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media."

Maureen Dowd recently made an equally stupid comment when she complained that her First Amendment rights were being violated by the McCain campaign's refusal to allow her on their campaign plane.

The First Amendment is actually not that complicated.  It can be read from start to finish in about 10 seconds.  It bars the Government from abridging free speech rights.  It doesn't have anything to do with whether you're free to say things without being criticized, or whether you can comment on blogs without being edited, or whether people can bar you from their private planes because they don't like what you've said.   

If anything, Palin has this exactly backwards, since one thing that the First Amendment does actually guarantee is a free press.  Thus, when the press criticizes a political candidate and a Governor such as Palin, that is a classic example of First Amendment rights being exercised, not abridged.

This isn't only about profound ignorance regarding our basic liberties, though it is obviously that.  Palin here is also giving voice to the standard right-wing grievance instinct:  that it's inherently unfair when they're criticized.  And now, apparently, it's even unconstitutional.   

According to Palin, what the Founders intended with the First Amendment was that political candidates for the most powerful offices in the country and Governors of states would be free to say whatever they want without being criticized in the newspapers.  In the Palin worldview, the First Amendment was meant to ensure that powerful political officials such as herself would not be "attacked" in the papers.  Is it even possible to imagine more breathaking ignorance from someone holding high office and running for even higher office?


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   Posted 11/1/2008 5:42 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think it was an unbeliever who wrote this. It's definitely NOT like the things spoken about don't apply in some way to Obama and Biden to be sure. Repentence, Christianly speaking, is needed all the way around. I do think that, for someone who's OPENLY and POINTEDLY campaigning to the conservative evangelical Christian...by going on shows like Dr. Dobson's and the like...I do think this is especially telling and appropriate...

A Letter to Sarah Palin from God


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   Posted 11/1/2008 5:53 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Wow. This dude got SCHOOLED...

Watch the video

Michael Goldfarb
McCain Campaign NATIONAL SPOKESMAN


WTF?

Insanely stupid!


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   Posted 11/2/2008 7:21 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
For those who think I trip on this page...particularly on the racial overtones seen in this election year...

Nina Simone
Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T3FXFnoTzE

The following song is a homemade update-remix...pretty good. (Hardcore lyrics.  Listener beware! skull )

Tupac Shakur/Lil Wayne
Misunderstood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH1MWpuMvpE

"My God is my judge...
No gown, no gavel..."


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   Posted 11/2/2008 7:47 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Palin: "If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations, then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media."

Tom: What a dumkoph. I can't imagine what the future of free speech would be if it were in Palin's power to decide. I'm still conflicted over voting (still NOT voting), but part of me is VERY happy this lady will not be in the White House.

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   Posted 11/2/2008 8:02 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Oh, that's not all, dawg. Haven't you heard?

Palin takes prank call from fake French president
By CHARMAINE NORONHA


TORONTO (AP) — Sarah Palin unwittingly took a prank call Saturday from a Canadian comedian posing as French President Nicolas Sarkozy and telling her she would make a good president someday.

"Maybe in eight years," replies a laughing Palin.


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Two other pages on the same thing...

AFP

TPM (check out the comments...wow! AUDIO OF THE CONVERSATION HERE TOO! )

You've got to listen to the call to believe it. (YouTube)

What does it say about our country that someone like this could get THIS CLOSE to the Vice-Presidency (and possibly Presidency)?  Can you imagine what OTHER COUNTRIES are thinking???  Oops.  Well, I guess I can...

From a poster on TPM:

I think one of the biggest parts of the joke is that her colossal ego led her to actually believe that the President of France would just casually call her.

 


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   Posted 11/2/2008 8:26 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Wanna see something crazy?

We started this thread August 30, 2008

It is now November 2, 2008.

All of this nonsense has been revealed about her in effectively TWO MONTHS after McCain choosing her!

TWO MONTHS.

And THAT was because she was so sheltered from the press for so long!

Think about it.

Lord, have mercy on the Republican Party. (I really DO feel for conservatives like Rod Dreher who see the absolute nonsense of all this...and bemoan what it means for the Party)

This is gonna hurt...


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   Posted 11/2/2008 8:49 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
People's comments/reactions to the prank call audio...

WOW!  icon_smile_shock


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   Posted 11/2/2008 8:56 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Here's the sad part:

Nicolas Sarkozy DOESN'T SPEAK fluent English!

He just STARTED taking English lessons March of THIS YEAR.

If Palin even just knew OF HIM well...she wouldn't have fallen for this.  Not with the way the imposter was talking...
 
and...
 
At 5:49 of the video...you can hear it...
 
After she learns the radio station is from "Montreal" (CANADA, her NEIGHBORING COUNTRY as an Alaskan) from the pranksters...she can be heard in the background saying...
 
"...it's this radio station from France."

WTF???

"Country First"? hmmm
 
McCain is goin' out like a sucka!  Damn.

And 42% of voters WANT THIS?  THIS???

shakehead 


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   Posted 11/2/2008 9:13 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Tom,

You've been through more elections than me. Have you EVER seen anything like this in an American election in your history of voting?


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