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One Love
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   Posted 9/28/2008 6:37 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
before you look at the video.
 
Ok?  icon_brows2
 
"Teacher," said John, "we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us."
    "Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me,  for whoever is not against us is for us.  Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly be rewarded.
 
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Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.
 
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He whom the Son sets free, is free indeed.
 
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Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
 
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The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free...
 
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Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
 
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Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God's slaves.
 
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It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
 
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Now, think about all these "systems" that have our minds trapped in bondage and darkness of heart..
 
Racism
Sexism
Classism
Ethnocentricism
Nationalism
Hyper-individualism
Egocentrism
Achievement Addiction
Moralism Addiction
 
Now watch.  You've already seen it before.  But just watch anyways... biggrin  Try to look at it as if you've never seen it before.  Just click the smileys...
 
cheers
 
See what represents that "rulers, authorities, and powers"  (Easy)
 
But think about if we REALLY thought this way about life right now.
 
"...hopelessly dependent..." (White Privilege?)
 
We've got to fight the powers that be.
 
:-) 


God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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One Love
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   Posted 9/28/2008 6:47 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.  If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.  Remember what I told you: 'Servants are not greater than their master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.  They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me.  If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.  Those who hate me hate my Father as well.  If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father.  But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: 'They hated me without reason.' "
 
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Do not love the world or anything in the world. If you love the world, love for the Father is not in you.  For everything in the world—the cravings of sinful people, the lust of their eyes and their boasting about what they have and do—comes not from the Father but from the world. The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.
 
The System (World, Flesh, Devil) is our Enemy.


God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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One Love
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   Posted 9/28/2008 7:12 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Don't click this before watching the video...please?
 
yeah 

But after reading, ask yourself...

Do you see the "System" at work anywhere in what you were reading?

and...

Do you see the "System" demonstrated in the video clip itself? (Hint: play the clip again and "freeze" it at the 2-3 second mark...)


God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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   Posted 9/28/2008 7:44 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Nothing in movies is taken for granted.  Everything is planned.  Here is what I see.  The light turns green for walk.  Everyone abides by the rule.  Everyone is essentially wearing black and white and everyone is going in one direction except for Neo and Morpheus--they're "swimming against the current."  It's all conformity.


Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

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One Love
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   Posted 9/28/2008 8:14 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Brandon:
Nothing in movies is taken for granted. Everything is planned. Here is what I see. The light turns green for walk. Everyone abides by the rule. Everyone is essentially wearing black and white and everyone is going in one direction except for Neo and Morpheus--they're "swimming against the current." It's all conformity.

Second hint for same freeze frame: "diversity?"


God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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   Posted 9/28/2008 8:20 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
There is none? The only diversity exists is with the woman wearing the red dress.


Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

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   Posted 9/28/2008 8:22 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Opps. All the people ready to walk across the street are white.


Brandon
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   Posted 9/28/2008 8:29 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Interestingly, even the representive of governmental institutional authority--the police officer, is white.


Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

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   Posted 9/28/2008 9:17 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

D: We've got to fight the powers that be.

J: Just like the Isley brothers were telling us way back in the 70's!!! That's my theme song. I love it. So true to the bone. We've got a post a link to a youtube version of that song in this thread!biggrin


 

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   Posted 9/28/2008 9:20 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Here it is. Enjoy and be motivated!!! <G>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmAkHRK2pI8


 

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Corey
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   Posted 9/28/2008 10:09 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Okay, I KNOW I'm gonna get pounced on for this, but here goes, in faith that it will ultimately be beneficial: one of the thoughts going through my head in regards to the Palin thread is this: D is WAY more enmeshed in the matrix than he realizes. I doubt he can hear me at all when I talk about love covering a multitude of sins; that gets taken to mean something like "enable the system." He always wants to get back "on topic", when this IS the topic.

So you say I'm in the matrix, I say you're in the matrix. We're probably both right, and both wrong.

I'm only saying this because I respect you enough to believe we can have honest dialog without ripping each other.

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One Love
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   Posted 9/28/2008 10:37 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Brandon:
Opps. All the people ready to walk across the street are white. Interestingly, even the representive of governmental institutional authority--the police officer, is white.

Bingo. Actually, MOST, if not all, of the authorities in the Matrix (cop figures) are white.
 
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Hmm...idea

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Similtude:
Here it is. Enjoy and be motivated!!!

Thanks, homie! YEAH!!  playin_guitar


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Corey:
Okay, I KNOW I'm gonna get pounced on for this, but here goes, in faith that it will ultimately be beneficial: one of the thoughts going through my head in regards to the Palin thread is this: D is WAY more enmeshed in the matrix than he realizes. I doubt he can hear me at all when I talk about love covering a multitude of sins; that gets taken to mean something like "enable the system." He always wants to get back "on topic", when this IS the topic.

So you say I'm in the matrix, I say you're in the matrix. We're probably both right, and both wrong.

I'm only saying this because I respect you enough to believe we can have honest dialog without ripping each other.


I don't think I'll be pouncing. I'm not a lion or something... lol
 
To be sure, that bolded part is correct. Most likely, I am more enmeshed in the matrix than my ego-process would like to believe. The heart is self-deceitful above all things. That's what it means that we're all sinners saved by grace and freed by God, right? At any rate, Corey, I thought that I asked you over on the other thread to "sit in my skin" and put on my experiences (the information I shared) as "lens" by which you saw "Love covers a multitude of sins". You never did that...and I really thought it would be helpful to our conversation there. Would you like to do it now? Perhaps this will reveal to me more of the "matrix-ness" of my thinking in this area.


God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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Corey
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   Posted 9/28/2008 11:33 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't think I could ever do justice to "sit in your skin". I can speak of applying 1 Pet 4:8 to my situation, and I suppose I can talk about it in general, and I suppose I could rehash what SK had to say about it, but it's beyond my capabilities to know what this would look like for you.

Can we try this in reverse? How do you relate "love covers a multitude of sins" to your situation? You obviously know it better than me, and you've obviously thought about this verse.


 

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One Love
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   Posted 9/29/2008 3:50 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Actually, Corey, it's pretty important to me that you try to see my perspective here. I'm asking you to take another perspective from whence YOU see how the way YOU interpret 1Peter 4:8 would likely play out. (This is a core element of reconciliation dialogue: being able to share each others experiences and try to see through each other's "lens" ) I'm not asking this as a matter of pure curiosity. It's really to help the dialogue.

But maybe the place we need to start is where you are at. So, just do what you said--speak of 1 Pet applying it to your situation and rehash what SK said about it. Then maybe we can go from their to move towards my "lens".


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One Love
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   Posted 9/29/2008 4:20 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I know what will help, Corey.

I'd like you to apply "love hides a multitude of sins" to a woman experiencing sexual harrassment at a Christian organization. How does this woman (who believes she is experiencing sexually harassing things in the work environment) apply SK's application to her quest for truth and justice (which is inseparable from love)? Is there any way that the PRIVILEGE of being a male in a largely male-dominated Christian environment where unknown, implicit sexism was rampant would SHAPE the way that the leaders in that organization saw how "love hides a multitude of sins" would be displayed?

Basically, I'm lookin for how "love hides a multitude of sins" plays out in a Christian organization that is UNAWARE of how UNKNOWINGLY sexist it is. How does a person experiencing the effect of "sins" that other people CAN'T SEE because of their socialized blindness...REVEAL those sins in such a way that WOULDN'T be perceived as trying to "find" a multitude of sins?


God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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