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Tom
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   Posted 10/22/2008 6:31 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yeah. I think having and raising kids through to college, and being as "into" each other's life as the six of us were (and are), solving problems out in the open, probably tipped the scale in me over the years for 9 over 5.

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Thanks for posting all that, Corey. Uncannily on point.

And I feel y'all on Tom being more of a Nine than a Five. Isn't this interesting? And very insightful into our interactions here! ;-)


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Ok. Here's possibly a little more insight into how I work. I think it's pretty on point. All of this is from these pages...
 
 
 
First...

Type Six in Brief
The committed, security-oriented type. Sixes are reliable, hard-working, responsible, and trustworthy. Excellent "troubleshooters," they foresee problems and foster cooperation, but can also become defensive, evasive, and anxious—running on stress while complaining about it. They can be cautious and indecisive, but also reactive, defiant and rebellious. They typically have problems with self-doubt and suspicion. At their Best: internally stable and self-reliant, courageously championing themselves and others.

Basic Fear: Of being without support and guidance
Basic Desire: To have security and support
Enneagram Six with a Five-Wing: "The Defender"
Enneagram Six with a Seven-Wing: "The Buddy"
Key Motivations: Want to have security, to feel supported by others, to have certitude and reassurance, to test the attitudes of others toward them, to fight against anxiety and insecurity.

The Meaning of the Arrows (in brief)
When moving in their Direction of Disintegration (stress), dutiful Sixes suddenly become competitive and arrogant at Three. However, when moving in their Direction of Integration (growth), fearful, pessimistic Sixes become more relaxed and optimistic, like healthy Nine.


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Type Five in Brief
Fives are alert, insightful, and curious. They are able to concentrate and focus on developing complex ideas and skills. Independent, innovative, and inventive, they can also become preoccupied with their thoughts and imaginary constructs. They become detached, yet high-strung and intense. They typically have problems with eccentricity, nihilism, and isolation. At their Best: visionary pioneers, often ahead of their time, and able to see the world in an entirely new way.

Basic Fear: Being useless, helpless, or incapable
Basic Desire: To be capable and competent

Enneagram Five with a Four-Wing: "The Iconoclast"
Enneagram Five with a Six-Wing: "The Problem Solver"
Key Motivations: Want to possess knowledge, to understand the environment, to have everything figured out as a way of defending the self from threats from the environment.

The Meaning of the Arrows (in brief)
When moving in their Direction of Disintegration (stress), detached Fives suddenly become hyperactive and scattered at Seven. However, when moving in their Direction of Integration (growth), avaricious, detached Fives become more self-confident and decisive, like healthy Eights.



Now here's what's interesting. All of the types have basic fears and basic desires linked to those fears. Whenever a person moves in their direction of intergration, they are effectively "taking on" the good aspects of that direction...and in so doing meeting the desire and conquering the fear of one's basic personality type.

For me, this "mystic journey" (Jesus Prayer, Hesychasm, reading the Saints, etc) has been UNFATHOMABLY HELPFUL. Whenever the Six gets really really anxious, fearful, and angry (I don't know...say after a messy divorce and moving to a whole different state), they slide over to Three where the narcissism quotient SKYROCKETS out of the feelings of uncertainty, left unsupported, and being alone and lonely. Here's the ego-fixation of the Three, my path of disintegration...

Fixation: Vanity [Deceit]*
When we are not in contact with a more authentic experience of ourselves, we must invest our energies in cultivating our persona—making it valuable to compensate for our loss of Essential value and identity. Thus, vanity is the ego-activity of trying to make the personality feel real and valuable. Clearly, if we deceive ourselves into believing that we are the personality, then we must apply all of our efforts to doing whatever we believe will make the personality more valuable, important, attractive, brilliant, and worthwhile. We will tend to regard meditating and doing deep psychological work to reveal the falseness of the ego and its agenda as a waste of time, or even threatening.

Vanity causes us to invested our energies in building up our self image. We become concerned with doing and being whatever we believe will make us feel more worthwhile, such as having a successful career, presenting ourselves favorably, attending good schools, achieving goals, building up our (false selves), winning awards. We become lost in the roles that we play in life, and then must make the role valuable instead of recognizing the real value of our true nature.


I started having lots of doubts about God's existence and the viability of the Church because of all the craziness happening in my life (which up to that time had been two of the BEDROCK sources of security that I had had). The Five wing would explain my constant struggle with inferiority/incompetency complexes that would oscillate with Three-ish narcissitic inflations of the self. I felt I couldn't trust God anymore...but I also coudn't trust anyone else or myself.  Talk about a catch-22.  No wonder I started going crazy and feeling suicidal and homicidal!

At any rate, starting at about 2005, when God put me on this path...and it's shown me alot. Here's a delving a bit more into the Six...

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Type Six
Passion: Fear [Anxiety]* Fixation: Cowardice [Worrying]*
Virtue: Courage Holy Idea: Holy Faith

Passion: Fear [Anxiety]*
Fear is the feeling that arises when we feel unsupported and without guidance. When we feel unsupported, we feel unable to move into the next moment with assurance and confidence. We believe that something terrible that happened in the past might happen again in the future. In a sense, fear is always based on some kind of imagined future—we are not afraid of something that concluded yesterday because we know the outcome. And this reveals a second point: fear is also a response to not knowing what is going to happen. Whenever we are unsure of our fate, we can become fearful to the degree that we also feel unsupported.

The truth is, however, that we are never certain of what will happen next. "Not knowing" is a fundamental condition of our individual existence. We can plan and try to predict and prepare, as type Six does, but in the end, a single twist of fate can undo all of our defenses against the future.

While "not knowing" is fundamental, feeling unsupported and without guidance is not, and this is really the basis of the Six's fear. (OL's Note: Jesus had human "ignorance", but NOT doubt and unbelief!!) Lack of contact with inner guidance leaves Sixes anxious and unsure of how to make decisions, avoid danger, and move forward in life. Further, much of type Six's fears are not based on reality, but on things that might happen. This constant background of anxiety drives Sixes to organize and systematize their environment as much as possible so that it will be predictable and thus less threatening, but this activity does not ultimately reduce their fear.

Virtue: Courage
The virtue of courage might also be called fearlessness because it truly is the absence of fear. This is absolutely different than defying fear or behaving aggressively to toughen oneself up (counterphobia). True courage arises in the heart when a person is present and deeply grounded in the moment. When we are abiding in our true nature, tremendous support and inner strength naturally arise every time they are needed. Courage draws upon the Essential qualities of Strength and Will, such that we feel like we are held up by a tremendous, supportive solidity. We experience directly the enormous capacities of our Essential nature such that we can totally accept not-knowing the outcome of things. Here and now, we are more than fine—we are solid, real, vital, and imbedded in the unfolding Will of the Divine.

Fixation: Cowardice [Worrying]*
We have found the term "Cowardice" for the fixation of type Six one of the less satisfying ones, because cowardice can be seen as a simple caving in to fear. But if we examine the way that the activity of the ego mind supports fear and anxiety, then the broader meaning of this term is revealed.

Basically, cowardice is a failure of confidence in our ability to know, to receive inner guidance. In Enneagram terms, it is the loss of the Holy Idea of Faith. Thus, we might also call the fixation self-doubt. (OL's Note: EXACTLY!)

Sixes (and the Six in us) respond to this lack by trying to hedge their bets against life: they want to create stability and "social security." Unfortunately, cowardice also causes Sixes tend to undermine whatever security they create by second-guessing themselves and doubting their own decisions. "Where can I get support? Where will I find security? What is a safe bet in life? Is that person really my friend? I know they said they are, but will they be there to help me out when the chips are down? Is this job going to be there in six months? If I invest in this, will I lose all my money?"

Holy Idea: Holy Faith
Real faith has nothing to do with beliefs, or with trying to convince oneself that a certain belief is true. The faith we are talking about here is a recognition of the actual support of presence and Being that is available right now. It is the recognition that Essence, our true nature is real and cannot be lost. Essence really exists. Reality it is supporting us and we are part of it. We do not have to make support happen because it is already here. From this viewpoint, we see that it does not matter whether we believe in it or not any more than it matters whether or not we believe in the sky. Essence is a felt, experienced reality.

Thus, Holy Faith gives us an unshakable confidence in the inherent goodness of life and of the universe. Even when things seem to be going wrong to the ego's perspective, in presence, we recognize that things are we are supported and that our true nature cannot be harmed. Holy Faith gives us the inner freedom to respond spontaneously to whatever emerges in the moment because we are not bound by beliefs, doubts, and learned procedures. We are guided in each moment to optimal action.

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Long story short. I've never really felt like I could fully trust myself or other people. Ever. (And being a young African-American male in a place as racism-driven as Waco, Texas did NOT help!!) And this makes one feel VERY anxious...and the counterphobic tendencies that can arise from that can become relationally harmful. When I began to think that the God I had been following for years may not exist, I REALLY started losing it!

But...

Through this "mystical journey", not only is my "Holy Faith" being restored, but I also feel MUCH MORE of the healthy tendencies of the Nine...

From point Nine, we experience a sense of Unity or Wholeness. We know that we are not only connected with everything else, but that we are not a "separate object." We directly experience the oneness of reality, and our essential union with all creation. Further, we understand that this unity is dynamic, alive, and ever-changing. We know love as the force that breaks through all false boundaries and identities to restore this experience of wholeness. The realization of this state brings a deep satisfaction and contentment—a profound sense of well-being. We feel at peace with reality and with our place in it. We are able to function effectively in the world while knowing that what we are is "beyond" the world.

Instead of feeling like it's always "Me Against the World" (My favorite song in '95)...I now feel a PART of the World (God's World)...BECAUSE I know that everything REALLY IS connected to each and all through God the Logos, the Creator and "interiority/inwardness" of all things. There REALLY IS an "essential union with all creation" that is NOT makebelieve...or new agey. Through living in Christ-the-Logos daily, struggling for self-surrender, my needs for security, support, and guidance are being met...as I know that Spirit of Christ-the-Logos is inside of me and everything else, sustaining and guiding all things. Therefore, I can never truly be "ungrounded". My ego doesn't feel "detached" from the Spirit anymore in some antithetical way...but my very personhood is grounded on the Holy Love of God, the end goal of the Nine...

Holy Idea: Holy Love
Holy Love is the recognition that all is one and that the oneness is ultimately benevolent and supportive. From this perspective we truly experience the well-known spiritual assertion that everything actually is made from Divine Love.
When we truly know this, we relax our ego activity and trust Being to support us. It is almost unfathomable to the ego mind that not only could we be loved by the Divine, but that we are actually made of that love. The knowledge lets us move through our lives with deep compassion, nobility, and unshakable inner peace.

We can also see how Holy Love relates to the virtue of Action, because love itself has a dynamic affect on our souls. What transforms our lives more powerfully than love? What transforms our sense of ourselves more profoundly? Love is not static: it is living, dynamic force that melts down all barriers and boundaries, constantly working to restore our awareness to its pristine unity with Truth. In Holy Love, our sense of separateness dissolves, and we know ourselves as arising from the brilliant light of Divine Love that creates and sustains the universe.

This is probably why I've been so big on ONENESS now. I've never before felt "at-one" with myself or anything else.  Because of Christ-the-Logos, I feel "one" with God, myself, and the World.

Just some thoughts I've had today...


God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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   Posted 10/22/2008 7:54 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
And let me tell you...there is nothing more ENTICING to the dysfunctional vanity-prone ego...than being a "good preacher" being praised by people all the time. SHEESH!!! icon_smile_shock
 
One of my brothers-in-Christ told me the key.  "Whenever someone tries to put any crown on your head, what do you do?", he said.  It came to me instantly: Cast it down before Christ and kiss his feet.
 
I try to do that all the time for everything now.  What's interesting is this: once you cast your OWN crown down, Christ turns right around and gives you HIS as a "co-heir"!  Gotta lose that false life to gain true life.

Lord, continue to have MERCY on your sinful son!  :-)


God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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   Posted 10/22/2008 8:05 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'll read and soak through that today. Lots there.

I'm aware of this about myself, not sure if it correlates to the enneagram or not. My basic fear, my primary "move-away" motivation, is being embarrassed or shamed. Not embarrassed as in being the butt of a joke, but embarrassed in the sense of, "you should have known better. How could you have done/thought that?"

I often find myself involuntarily shuddering as I recall various memories of my earlier self. And I'll probably end up shuddering over my self of today... Maybe you can understand my "P"-ness a little more this way; I don't want to be shown to be a fool for biting on something false.

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   Posted 10/22/2008 8:13 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Corey:
My basic fear, my primary "move-away" motivation, is being embarrassed or shamed. Not embarrassed as in being the butt of a joke, but embarrassed in the sense of, "you should have known better. How could you have done/thought that?"

Here's a possibility. It could be fear of judgment (from self and/or others) about being found "less competent" or "less prepared" for something than you "should have" been.  That would seem to fall in line.
 
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Corey:
Maybe you can understand my "P"-ness a little more this way; I don't want to be shown to be a fool for biting on something false.

Sho nuff.


God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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   Posted 10/22/2008 8:52 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
D: Here's a possibility. It could be fear of judgment (from self and/or others) about being found "less competent" or "less prepared" for something than you "should have" been. That would seem to fall in line.

Corey: Well, I'd say it wouldn't be fear of judgment from others. Given my iconoclastic tendencies and all that, I genuinely don't care much what people think; it's not hard for me to write off others as not really having knowledge anyway. But you may be right, it may be judgment from myself (who I can also write off), but moreso, by ultimate reality -- by God. I'm a man of unclean lips! I'm undone! I have not lived in accordance with Truth! The Truth will be revealed, and I'll be found to be on the wrong side of history.

Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.

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   Posted 10/22/2008 9:00 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of his robe filled the temple. Above him were seraphs, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. And they were calling to one another:
"Holy, holy, holy is the LORD Almighty;
the whole earth is full of his glory."

At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook and the temple was filled with smoke.

Woe to me!" I cried. "I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the LORD Almighty."

Then one of the seraphs flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. With it he touched my mouth and said, "See, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for."

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?"
And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"

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Through the Holy One, we are cleansed...and sent!

Isn't this EXACTLY the process that SK talked about in the sinner coming to realize themselves "always being wrong in the face of God" and how THAT understanding was necessary to move into being the "Knight of Faith"?


God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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Here's the collabo of me and my wife, an Eight.
 
Describes us quite well...and our struggles...
 

Enneagram Sixes and Eights can build an extraordinarily strong, long-lasting relationship on what is, at root, a defensive view of the world. Both types feel that most people and the world are selfish and untrustworthy, and that they world is highly unpredictable. One therefore needs to take care of oneself and one's own interests (Eights) and have strong allies and the ability to get back up from one's friends (Sixes). Both Sixes and Eights have deep issues with trust—and with finding people they are able to trust-and so when they have found each other and have gone through a period of testing, their alliance can be solid and deep. Once they have bonded with each other, both types have done so on a deep level of their being, and while the relationship may change over time, they are never indifferent to each other. They both admire and try to embody strength, commitment to one's word, honor, unquestioned loyalty, responsibility, hard work, courage, a spirit of protectiveness, and fighting for the underdog. Both are doers, and enjoy being active, getting tasks accomplished, building a more safe and secure world for themselves and their loved ones. Sixes bring warmth, the desire for personal connection and commitment, a certain playfulness and sensitivity.

They are also mental types and bring skepticism, analytic thinking, and the ability to think through decisions and to foresee outcomes and potential problems before acting. Sixes thus tend to act as advisors and lieutenants to Eights who tend to take the lead and provide the vision and audacity that Sixes sometimes lack themselves. Eights also bring directness and decisiveness, strong wills, confidence, a can do spirit that is energized by adversity and a penchant for taking on challenges. Sixes tend to look up to the Eights as their hero, while Eights are touched by the Six's devotion and courage. Eights are aware of their inner struggles and what it takes to overcome them. When there is genuine affection between these two types, there may be fireworks and occasional fights, but the bond only seems to grow stronger with time.

Both Aki and I currently work at Catholic Charities.  Their primary mission is "to serve those most in need."


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"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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That may be one legitimate criticism I have of the enneagram: its understanding of "healthy", which is right-relatedness, has the self as the highest accountability. How well do you know yourself? How well do you relate yourself, etc. It doesn't recognize the despair of this. It doesn't have any spot in its health spectrum for right relatedness before God, and the recognition that we all necessarily fail profoundly in this regard, and only God himself can remedy this.

Interesting, isn't it, how the Isaiah cleansing was some process that actually occurred to the individual? It wasn't some forensic declaration, it was an actual burning of the unclean lips. My faith is that God is presently going about this process in me; I rest in the power which establishes me.


 

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Corey:
That may be one legitimate criticism I have of the enneagram: its understanding of "healthy", which is right-relatedness, has the self as the highest accountability. How well do you know yourself? How well do you relate yourself, etc. It doesn't recognize the despair of this.

From my perspective, the highest accountability for the Enneagram is "Essence" which is like Loder's "The Holy". Self-discovery is important to the process, just like the push to individuation is important to SK and Jung. But the "marginal control" (Loder) ALWAYS rests with the Spiritual Reality, the Holy.

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Corey:
My faith is that God is presently going about this process in me; I rest in the power which establishes me.

The "eternal rest in Divine Love" is just what the Enneagram talks about being the end goal. Being one with God (who is Love)


God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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   Posted 10/22/2008 10:17 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
a life of "fear and trembling" leads to a life of "eternal blessedness"...right?


God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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Key Motivations: Want to have security, to feel supported by others, to have certitude and reassurance, to test the attitudes of others toward them, to fight against anxiety and insecurity.

Interesting. Do you think this contributes to your "J"-ness, as my motivations contribute to my "P"-ness?


 

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Corey:
Interesting. Do you think this contributes to your "J"-ness, as my motivations contribute to my "P"-ness?

Absolutely. ;-)


God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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   Posted 10/22/2008 10:42 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What's interesting here is that the J and P characteristics become strategies, not something hard-wired in us. They become an outworking of our fundamental motivations. Now, I wonder how those got set, where'd they come from?

I wonder if the other Jungian dimensions might likewise be outworkings of something deeper, i.e. they're adopted strategies. For example, given "X" in a person, it follows that I (or E) is the most appropriate strategy for them. And so on for N/S, T/F.

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D: From my perspective, the highest accountability for the Enneagram is "Essence" which is like Loder's "The Holy". Self-discovery is important to the process, just like the push to individuation is important to SK and Jung. But the "marginal control" (Loder) ALWAYS rests with the Spiritual Reality, the Holy. [...] The "eternal rest in Divine Love" is just what the Enneagram talks about being the end goal. Being one with God (who is Love)

Corey: I don't recall reading about the Essence stuff yet. Maybe that's where I thought it got "ooky".

I'm concerned over a possible quasi-gnostic gospel here. We're "saved" by virtue of attaining a particular knowledge, a particular way of thinking. Contrast that with the actual process only God could do in cleansing Isaiah's unclean lips.


 

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Corey:
I'm concerned over a possible quasi-gnostic gospel here. We're "saved" by virtue of attaining a particular knowledge, a particular way of thinking. Contrast that with the actual process only God could do in cleansing Isaiah's unclean lips.

I hear ya. I don't think there's a problem if we think of the "virtue of attaining a particular knowledge, a particular way of thinking" as the knowledge of God (who is Love) through continual transformation and renewal of our minds, by the washing of them by the Word of God, the Logos. (The Great Commandments: Love of God, self, and neighbor, the "Golden Rule" )


God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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Corey:
What's interesting here is that the J and P characteristics become strategies, not something hard-wired in us. They become an outworking of our fundamental motivations. Now, I wonder how those got set, where'd they come from?

Jung was friends with Freud. (psychoanalytic)

Nuff said. ;-)

One can check out the relationship between Jung's "anima/animus" concept...and the ego struggle seen in Freud's idea of the ego, id, and superego.  Quite interesting...


God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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From Enneagram and Spirituality...

"We must be willing and able to go beyond ego to reach out to something more, to experience the parts of ourselves that have nothing to do with the agendas of our personalities. At the same time, we must also be willing to experience the limitation and pain that our ego's habits are causing us.

"Self-transcendence is difficult and fearful because it entails going into unknown territory, feeling, thinking, and acting in ways foreign to our personality, contrary to our past habits, at odds with our old attitudes and identity, and free of the old wounds and defenses of our childhood. In a sense, self- transcendence is a rebirth, a true transformation, the coming into being of a new person who is learning to leave the old ways behind and strike out into a new world....

"In the last analysis, learning how to transcend the ego involves nothing less than learning how to be open to love. Only love has the power to save us from ourselves. Until we learn to truly love ourselves and others—and to accept the love of others—there can be no hope of lasting happiness or peace or redemption. It is because we do not love ourselves properly that we lose ourselves so easily in the many illusions ego sets before us."
(Personality Types, 460-61)

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Conclusion

The Enneagram guides us toward nothing less than learning how to consciously surrender the ego-self of personality to the greater Self so that we can become conscious participants in the sacred mystery of life. In reality, it entails the surrender of nothing—our personality—in order to receive the gift of everything—the life of the Spirit. But the first step on that path involves being willing to observe ourselves so that we can stop playing out the unconscious dictates of our personality.

The process of growth by whatever name it is called—living in Essence, the growth of virtue, or the movement toward integration—is evolutionary, an upward spiral that has no final state of completion since to become completely possessed of all virtues would be to become God—an impossibility. (Our call, in a religious frame of reference, is to become "like God"—to attain some degree of the virtues that God alone possesses to an absolute (OL's Note: infinite) degree.) If some see this never-ending quest for increasing virtue (or personal strengths) as a frustrating chase after an unreachable goal, it is because they have not experienced the deep fulfillment that results from self-realization. If integration is thought of as merely collecting a set of impractical virtues as if they were merit badges being added to a collection, then of course the enterprise will be unsatisfying.

But the true situation is far from this. Acquiring the strengths of virtue brings about the enlargement of the person. By acting virtuously and by "living in Essence," the person becomes capable of living more deeply and consciously as master of the self. New depths are being opened in the integrating person. The creation of inner resources, the experience of oneself as enlarged, more potent, and creative is tremendously fulfilling. In this sense, the saying that "virtue is its own reward" has new meaning: the reward of virtue is the happiness that comes from the realization that we are living out of our essential self and that in doing so we are bringing more of ourselves into being.

Yet it will always remain true that realizing the value of self-transcendence can be found only in the individual's innermost heart. In the moment of self-transcendence, we discover that over and above liberation from the ego, self-transcendence gives us another, deeper reward by creating both the capacity and the desire for more of itself.

By integrating, we are constantly moving in the direction of increasing life. And nothing in life is more fulfilling than cooperating in the process of creation. Integrating persons become co-creators of that most vast yet intimate mystery, the human spirit. From only a psychological point of view, the capacity to be a co-creator bestows on human nature enormous dignity. But from a spiritual point of view, this capacity has a more profound meaning because to move in the direction of increasing life is to move toward Being itself. With each step we take toward Being, we also find that Being supports our quest. In the end, the quest for the self and its deepest Essence culminates in meeting the Divine.

Chapter 11, from Understanding the Enneagram, Riso & Hudson, 2000


God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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If truth is stranger than fiction, as we sometimes say, it may be that we live in a state of estrangement from the truth. Suppose it were all turned around and the fictions by which we lice were suddenly and starkly thrust, as on the Damascus road, into the light of a Truth so splendid we would cringe and hide our wounded eyes from it. Suppose we can only bear one glimpse of the Truth at a time. Then the Truth would be wonderful and terrible, and we would cherish our moments before it and long for more—yet we would be afraid lest we get too much all at once.

But suppose further that the Truth took on the nature of our fictions making—incredible!—our fictions bearers of the Truth. Who could conceive such a thing, even in retrospect? Perhaps only those who have once been partially blinded by the Truth—whether suddenly or gradually—come to the breath-taking realization that the One who sits at table and breaks bread and drinks wine with us is the One through whom and for whom all ten billion light years of creation, including our own come-lately, here and now existence, have their being. To sit at table with Him is more wonderful and terrible than a blinding light since it allows us no fictional existence in which to shroud ourselves, no place to hide from the relentlessly gracious claim that our very existence, fractured and fictionalized as it is, is of infinite worth, potentially a bearer of the very Truth which we fear could so easily crush us under the weight of it’s glory.

But suppose, finally, that this awesome condition in which we may find ourselves has in it a kind of comprehensive intelligibility we had not dared to consider before, a reason about reason, a supra rationem, that is so inclusive of us and the universe that we couldn’t see it unless it were shown to us in a gigantic mirror. If even cosmic chaos has in its hidden order, as we are surprisingly coming to understand, how much more astonishing and compelling is that greater intelligibility which unites all creation—even the turbulence and unpredictable upheavals of natural and human existence—to its creator. Such a union would have to be full God and fully human. Yet this remains ancient text and obscure doctrine until, in that breathless moment, we see ourselves, the full dimensions of our existence, reflected in the Holy One at the table with us. In the broken bread and wine, He becomes a mirror in whom we see simultaneously the embodied chaos of human existence in a vast and meaningless universe, and the hidden order and sacred destiny which He by His Presence—and not separable from that Presence—in a moment of epiclesis would beget in us. Then—though we could never say how—we see that the fragment could contain the whole, we are captivated by the intelligibility of His nature which we long to embrace, and it draws us to the edge of the abyss of uncreated light, the inner life of God.

But alas—to lay hold on that remarkable intelligibility by which one’s fragmentary existence becomes the bearer of the whole, that intelligibility through which all things have been made---to lay hold on that by faith is to touch the ark of the covenant, it is to hear “the sound of a mighty wind,” as “the roar of the New Jerusalem”,” and it is to die. Who wants to die so that the uncreated light and life of God may indwell human flesh and turn everything we do into the work of God’s Spirit?

Holy in its nature, the life of the Spirit is stunning in its impact; the depths of its mysterious centered silence remains unmoved, intensely personal, even in its rush through the walls of the upper room, its pause to console, its power to disclose and to heal, and its provocation to joy and exuberant praise. This is marvelous and dangerous; ordinary human flesh should not have to consider such alternatives.

If we do die, then all that we saw in Him and in ourselves because of Him as He sat at table with us, now becomes in our death the transformation of ordinary existence. We become in our individual and common life the outer expression of His invisible nature, including the darkness of dereliction as well as the light or the transfiguration—that by which condemnation is condemned, false light is itself falsified, and daily life is a continuing intra-mundane ecstasy. Who will die to bear witness to the inner life of God, to become an expression of this higher order? Not many—or perhaps, in another way, somewhere inside, all of us know we are supposed to die. In moments of deeply centered reflection we know the death instinct is not biological but teleological—we have been given life so as to die for what is so much more important than our own lives. If we just knew a bit more—if we could just put our hand and touch it, to be sure we are not being deceived…”

James E. Loder, The Transforming Moment, pp. 211-213


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“On the walls of the catacombs in Rome there is sometimes painted the figure of a woman praying, the Orans. She is gazing towards heaven, her open hands raised with the palms upwards. This is one of the most ancient of Christian ikons. Whom does she represent—the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Church, or the soul at prayer? Or perhaps all three at once? However, it is interpreted, this ikon depicts a basic Christian attitude: that of invocation or epiclesis, of calling down or waiting upon the Holy Spirit.

There are three main positions that we can assume with our hands, and each has its own symbolic meaning. Our hands may be closed, our fists clenched, as a gesture of defiance or in an effort to grasp and to hold fast, thus expressing aggression or fear. At the other extreme our hands may hang listlessly by our sides, neither defiant nor receptive. Or else, as a third possibility, our hands may be lifted up like those of the Orans, no longer clenched by open, no longer listless but ready to receive the gifts of the Spirit. An all-important lesson upon the spiritual Way is understanding how to unclench our fists and to open our hands.

Each hour and minute we are to make our own the action of the Orans: invisibly we are to lift our opened hands to heaven, saying to the Spirit, Come.

The whole aim of the Christian life is to be a Spirit-bearer, to live in the Spirit of God, to breathe the Spirit of God.”

Bishop Kallistos Ware, The Orthodox Way, pp. 89-90


For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship.  And by him we cry, "Abba, Father."  The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children.  Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

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I think there may be enough overlap there...icon_brows2


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Thought:

At age 12, Jesus demonstrated genuine individuation and lack of identity confusion...as demonstrated by his healthy detachment from his earthly parents and healthy self-understanding as "Abba's" child under "Abba's" rule...even to breaking with "the others."  He obeyed them when they found him (Honor your mother and father, right?), but there was something there that Mary "treasured in her heart" about that, now wasn't there?

He knew who he was and WHOSE he was.
 
And by the time he was in his THIRTIES???
 
   He said to another man, "Follow me."
       But he replied, "Lord, first let me go and bury my father."
    Jesus said to him, "Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God."
     Still another said, "I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say good-by to my family."
   Jesus replied, "No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God."
 
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If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even life itself—such a person cannot be my disciple. And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.
 
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Then Jesus' mother and brothers arrived. Standing outside, they sent someone in to call him. A crowd was sitting around him, and they told him, "Your mother and brothers are outside looking for you."
    "Who are my mother and my brothers?" he asked.
    Then he looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother."

Just a thought.


God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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                                   Essential Qualities
 
 

                              Paths of Transformation

My (the Six) path of transformation and released "essential" capacity...
 
At the Center of this Triad is the Path of Transformation for point Six, Courage. This is a quality that does not come from ignoring fears, rather, it arises naturally from the Essential quality of knowing—what we have been referring to as "the quiet mind." When we are receptive to the Essential quality of the quiet mind, our ego's strategies for survival and gratification are revealed as superfluous or even counterproductive. We perceive things simply and directly, without the fearful interpretations of the imagination, and we are able to act from the sense of spaciousness and possibility which the support of the quiet mind affords. We do not have to devote all of our energies to figuring out how to support and protect ourselves and our loved ones, but become attuned to a more subtle form of direction that arises from the quiet of our own awareness.
 
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From point Six, we experience Essential Will. This quality manifests as a sense of being "imbedded" in reality—solidly supported by the ground of Being. It gives us a capacity for endurance and persistence in our Work, and an ability to confront situations without anxiety. We feel as if we are "held up" by a solid ocean of Presence that supports and guides us. Further, we do not need to fill our minds with plans and strategies, because we are directed by a silent wellspring of inner guidance that functions harmoniously with our circumstances and with our environment. It brings a sense of unshakable confidence and a clear sense of direction. The more we open to this quality, the more actively it manifests in our world, leading us exactly to the experiences we most need for our development.


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"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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Now wonder it's been so hard for me to really BELIEVE this...

"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life?

"And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

"do not worry"

Recession fears knock stocks
Weak earnings and forecasts add to slowdown fears, dragging the Dow down over 300 points.
By Alexandra Twin, CNNMoney.com senior writer

Economic crisis.  Rampant sickness.  Bills due.  Kids need stuff.

Yep.

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"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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Knowledge of God or Attaining "Spiritual Knowledge"

Good stuff.  Real.

"One who has cleared his soul of all connection with things of this world, who has detached himself from everything by keeping the commandments and by the dispassion that this brings, and who has passed beyond all cognitive activity through continuous, sincere and immaterial prayer, and who has been abundantly illuminated by the inaccessible light in an inconceivable union, he alone, becoming light, contemplating by the light and beholding the light, in the vision and enjoyment of this light recognises truly that God is transcendently radiant and beyond comprehension; he glorifies God not only beyond his nous's human power of understanding, for many created things are beyond that, but even beyond that marvelous union which is the only means by which the nous is united with what is beyond intelligible things, `imitating divinely the supracelestial nouses'"

St. Gregory Palamas

From the site...

Thus deification, which is the goal of the spiritual life, is a manifestation of God to the pure heart of man. (OL's Note: Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.) This vision of the uncreated Light is what creates spiritual delight in the soul. For, according to St. Gregory, evidence of that light is that the soul ceases to give itself over to wrong pleasures and passions, and that it acquires peace and quietening of thoughts, and rest and spiritual joy, contempt for human glory, humility joined with secret rejoicing, hatred of the world, love of heavenly things, or rather love of the God of Heaven alone, and a vision of uncreated light even if one's eyes should be covered or plucked out (3,1,36;CWS p.90).


God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am."

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