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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 12/31/2008 7:12 AM (GMT -6) |   | |
I think I have this on lock...but you be the judge. There is no possible circumstances that I can think of where God would refuse to answer the prayer at bottom, if genuinely given. Some words from Jesus, our Lord and God...
"And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you."
and...
"Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete."
and...
"So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; those who seek find; and to those who knock, the door will be opened. Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"
Ok. Here's the prayer...
God and Father,
In Your Son's Name alone, according to your Will alone, and for Your Glory alone, fill my being with Your Holy Spirit, indwelling all of who I am with Your Divine Presence.
Instant "Yes and Amen", as I see it. For God not to "pour out" His Spirit at such a prayer (again, honestly given) would be for the Father to make Jesus a liar. If I can use some other language, God freely "binds himself" to honor his own Word...and we can trust that Word. Straight up money in the bank, baby.
Any holes in this logic, y'all? If so, holla.
It's almost the new year...bless the Lord.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
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 |  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 7/31/2009 12:23 PM (GMT -6) |   | Hmmm... I guess I'm revisiting this. I'd really like some feedback on this. Basically, given Scripture and assuming a believer's true intentions, is this an IRRESUFABLE PRAYER to God?
If it is, there there are some implications. I was thinking about "Air and Opportunity", the theme for my last sermon...and linking it to this prayer.
If the Logos Himself (Divine Presence) can indwell a human "temple" through this "strategic allocation of attention" and/or "remembrance of God" at any given time...
...why don't we do it ALL the time? If God's omnipresence is the ultimate reality of all things, how come we don't SEE God, let alone PARTICIPATE in God?
Proposed Answer from personal experience: We just plain forget God...and think about our "world composition*", it's going ons, and it's effects upon us. Basically, we forget God and think more about our own personal stories.
*Repost remix:
Saying we are sinners is just saying that we are neurotically addicted to sensory things and self-referential "world-composition" such that we can't perceive reality AS IT IS in God...even though we have the natural equipment to do so, given by God himself. (human spirit's connection to Creator Spiritus) We are so busy thinking about who we THINK we are...that we don't spend enough energy perceiving God in the Now, who will REVEAL who we are. So we live in darkness and ignorance, doing obviously egocentric, self-destructive behavior that is totally out of sorts with Truth (inseperable from Love)
To the extent that we 1) separate/isolate ourselves from Creation in our own minds and 2) separate/isolate God from Creation in our own minds [particularity in our self-referential activity, which GROUNDS identity formation], we will begin to misapprehend reality and go crazy, being sinners.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler Post Edited (One Love) : 7/31/2009 2:53:41 PM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
 |  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 7/31/2009 2:54 PM (GMT -6) |   | | Feedback, yo. Tom...make sense? Ay, your favorite Scripture...
"Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom."
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler Post Edited (One Love) : 7/31/2009 3:55:20 PM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
 |  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 7/31/2009 10:05 PM (GMT -6) |   | Dwayne, I saw this from the OCA site, and thought to share the portion I've highlighted/underlined:
http://www.oca.org/CHRIST-life-article.asp?SID=6&ID=178&MONTH=July&YEAR=2009
July 2009, Article #2
Written by the Very Rev. John Breck
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An elderly woman recently broke down during Confession and began sobbing. She had attempted to offer to God what she felt was her sinful neglect in raising her son. Throughout his childhood and adolescence, she had taken him to church services on Sundays and feast days, and each day she had prayed with him and for him. Apparently, she had done all she could, gently and supportively, to lead him into life in Christ, with a serious and deep reverence for the Orthodox Christian faith.
Now that he was in his late thirties, with a failed marriage behind him and no apparent connection to the Church, his mother was heartbroken. Her grief was compounded by guilt, since she was convinced she had somehow failed both him and her Lord. She asked the priest hearing her confession how she should now pray for him, especially since he was about to embark on a second marriage with a woman who had even less interest in the Church than he did.
The priest tried to suggest ways she could focus her prayer. In the weeks that followed, he kept in touch with her, only to hear that she felt she couldn't pray at all, that she didn't have any idea as to how she should formulate prayer that would speak both to her son's need and to her own. She tried spontaneous intercession, then her well-worn prayer book, then psalms, chosen for their emphasis on suffering, loss and grief. When she returned for confession a few weeks later, she felt she needed to add to her original burden the dryness of her prayer. In particular, she found she couldn't pray for her son at all without interrupting her petitions with weeping. She wanted desperately to ask God for help and guidance in her prayer as well as in dealing with her son's situation. But she found she simply couldn't pray. The words just didn't come.
More dramatic experiences of this kind occur especially around unexpected loss or a tragic death. A man who is the sole breadwinner for his wife and children gets laid off at work. A family receives a visit from the military, informing them their son was recently killed in Afghanistan. Or the baby a young couple has just brought into the world turns out to have an untreatable and lethal genetic defect. If these families are firmly rooted in a particular faith tradition, they will most naturally begin by praying about the crisis that has just impacted their lives. But very often the prayer seems inadequate, even empty. What does one ask for? How does one formulate a request that sufficiently describes the situation at hand and appropriately requests that God provide some answer? And how does a family pray for a child who has just been killed, or for a parent suddenly carried off by an unpredictable fatal illness?
These are examples that point out what we all know: that sometimes we find ourselves at a loss for words when we want most earnestly and explicitly to pray for someone or some thing that is of crucial importance to us. It can also be difficult to find appropriate words when we begin for the first time to develop a pattern of regular prayer. But there we have resources at hand that can help structure and provide content to our prayer: the Scriptures or a traditional prayer book, for example, together with the sound advice of spiritual teachers. (In this regard, I often think of Metropolitan Anthony Bloom's reply to a woman who complained of difficulty in beginning to pray. When more traditional means don't work, he told her, it can be enough to sit in front of an icon and knit, leaving spiritual growth and inner progress to the Holy Spirit.)
There are other times, though, when a crisis or ongoing stress creates a stumbling block in the way of prayer, to such an extent that we feel we can't pray at all. Again, the words are just not there. We don't know how to formulate what we need; we can't even discern an appropriate way to express what we feel. "Ask and you shall receive," the Scriptures tell us. But how do we ask for some gift of grace, or solution to a problem, or relief from the suffering of acute loss, when we can't step back and away from the tension and chaos we may feel, in order to put that request into coherent words? How does this woman pray for her son, estranged from the Church? Or the parents for their teen-ager who is being brought home in a coffin? Or the young couple for their terminally ill newborn? Grief has a pernicious way of stifling prayer, since it attacks on the level of both mind and feelings. Where, then, does this leave us?
It's especially important in times like these to remember that God knows each of us to the very depths of our being. Nothing is hidden from him: not our sinfulness, nor our longings, nor our grief. In fact he knows them, and us, better than we ever can. He not only knows them, but he carries in himself the burden of our sin, the awareness of our needs and desires, and the suffering caused by our loss. This means that he does not need for us to formulate our prayers as if to inform him of our situation. It means that in times of stress and chaos that are so devastating that our minds can't function well enough to formulate what we feel we want or need, that is no impediment to God. In those moments, it may be far more appropriate to stand before God in silence. Stand "with the mind in the heart," fully confident that God understands our needs and desires, and that he wants nothing more than to address them directly and in such a way as to further us along the way towards salvation. If any words are required at all, they are simply "Thy will be done!"
Two quotations in particular speak to this question and provide a fitting close to what I've wanted to say about prayer "when words don't come." The first is a reflection by Metropolitan Anthony, mentioned earlier, and the second is from the sayings of one of the great desert Fathers.
"Prayer is essentially standing face to face with God, consciously striving to remain collected and absolutely still and attentive in his presence, which means standing with an undivided mind, an undivided heart and an undivided will in the presence of the Lord; and," the Metropolitan adds, "that is not easy."
Abba Macarius was asked, 'How should one pray?' The old man said, 'There is no need at all to make long discourses; it is enough to stretch out one's hands and say, "Lord, as you will, and as you know, have mercy." And if the conflict grows fiercer say, "Lord, help!" He knows very well what we need and he shows us his mercy.[1]
______ 1. A. Bloom, Creative Prayer (London: Darton, Longman and Todd, Ltd., 1987, 2004), p. 26; B. Ward, The Sayings of the Desert Fathers (London: Mowbrays, 1975), p. 111.
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 |  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 7/31/2009 10:18 PM (GMT -6) |   | Amen, Bruce! 
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Starkman Registered Member

Date Joined Oct 2001 Total Posts : 1747 | Posted 8/1/2009 2:24 PM (GMT -6) |   | Dwayne,
Within the formula you have given, I cannot, for the life of me, Dwayne, see any way God can not not answer every...EVERY...prayer...save for one reason: if we are not aware--that is, we lack revelation--of what it means for God to be not-a-liar, faithful to His Word. Far more is entailed in exercising faith than is typically taught within the shallow "Oh, just believe," as if a mental exercise is what is at stake. We first need the revelation of God about what it means to really believe, to really walk in that faith that can say, "I am so aware of and in agreement with the God who is true to His word that I can no longer second guess at His promises."
And what will keep that kind of revelation from becoming part of the bread and wine of Christ in our lives? We. Ourselves. Self...in the way of the flow of God's faithfulness. We are to be completely removed from and to stay out of the way of the manner in which God wishes to dwell in us and use us as temples of the Holy Spirit. It's called being dead to sin, dying to Self. Paradoxically, though, to the degree that we step aside, the more we are integrated into the fellowship and ministry of the Holy Spirit. As we are shown how much WE are in the way and how our doubt, fear and unbelief--in far greater ways than the typical definitions of those words encompass--create great disturbance between all that God is in relationship with all that we are to be, we miss the connective tissue of faith that reveals the light and truth of just how true and faithful God is to His word. "I must decrease. He must increase."
This thinking, though, is too quickly dismissed as if it is, again, yet another mental exercise of removing self, of just saying, "Not my will, but thine be done." The reality, though, is that it is the stark, hard-core truth of spirituality that one must see by revelation or one will forever be "in the way" of the fullness of God's movement in that person's life. Thankfully, a broken and contrite heart is what will make way for God to reveal such truths.
Every single prayer we utter is heard, and God is faithful to every single promise He has given us. But we, who will either stand in the middle or to the side of God's flowing truth, will, respectively, either disturb or make way for the expressed image of God's Son--His great faithfulness to His Word--that we might experience what is already in God's readiness: to find every prayer answered and every promise kept. I think this is nowhere seen better in Scripture (at least in the New Testament) than when it was said about Jesus, in His own town, around those who knew Him well, "And he did not do many mighty works there, because of their unbelief" (Mat 13:58).
Each of us stands in the place where God says, "Let me show you by my Spirit what is really true about your Self." Either to show us how it obstructs or allows for the flow of the Spirit of God, the nature of God, the heart of God through our vessels. And, as I said, the more we are out of the way, the more integrated we are in oneness with the Divine. The more we are used. The more we are participants.
Oddly, Dwayne, I have only recently come to realize just how true God is to His Word (Thy Word is Truth), not because I have had a prayer answered, but because of coming to see that He cannot possibly lie! To see this, though, I had to also come to see just how much I--that destructive Self, that Me, that "Hey, how about my input?" have been nothing but in the way (How often I would have gathered you...but you would not). It has been only I who has stepped in the way of allowing God to keep His Word and answer all my prayers. That's frightening, because the mind thinks that God can, and will, still answer every prayer we ever utter no matter what our spiritual state. Surely, God isn't stopped just because none of us is perfect!
The formula for all prayer to be answered is in the revelation found in the meaning of John's words: "And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him (I John 5). It isn't that God doesn't literally "hear" all our prayers, but He is kept outside of and blocked from fully revealing His faithfulness to do as He said He will do when we are in the way. That, my friend, is good ol' fashion relationship! When one hinders another, things come to a stop in the fullness of what that relationship can become. And I am completely convinced that we do not find ourselves as deeply integrated in Him, as we know it can be, because He have been so deeply in the way of Him.
"When the Son of man returns, will He find faith" is to ask nothing less than will we find ourselves in such a place that He is able to move fully to, in and through us? Will we step aside so that He may accomplish His purposes. Only then can we walk in such faith that never need again be compromised by Self getting in the way.
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 8/1/2009 9:20 PM (GMT -6) |   | Starkman:
And what will keep that kind of revelation from becoming part of the bread and wine of Christ in our lives? We. Ourselves. Self...in the way of the flow of God's faithfulness. We are to be completely removed from and to stay out of the way of the manner in which God wishes to dwell in us and use us as temples of the Holy Spirit. It's called being dead to sin, dying to Self. Paradoxically, though, to the degree that we step aside, the more we are integrated into the fellowship and ministry of the Holy Spirit. As we are shown how much WE are in the way and how our doubt, fear and unbelief--in far greater ways than the typical definitions of those words encompass--create great disturbance between all that God is in relationship with all that we are to be, we miss the connective tissue of faith that reveals the light and truth of just how true and faithful God is to His word. "I must decrease. He must increase."and... Each of us stands in the place where God says, "Let me show you by my Spirit what is really true about your Self." Either to show us how it obstructs or allows for the flow of the Spirit of God, the nature of God, the heart of God through our vessels. And, as I said, the more we are out of the way, the more integrated we are in oneness with the Divine. The more we are used. The more we are participants.100% Amen, Starky. You always come with that deep wisdom, man. Stay blessed, homie! 
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler | | Back to Top | | |
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