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Tom
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| Posted 1/21/2009 10:01 AM (GMT -6) |   | D: There is ANOTHER POINT being made here. With the first person of color (I wouldn't just say "black" ) taking arguably the highest office in the land, it demonstrates to some that MORE OPTIONS are open to people of color socially speaking, than has EVER existed in this country before. And that's significant.
T: Again, I don't want to discount the historical significance of the moment. But come on Bro. When you consisder that blacks have been...
...senators, representatives, Supreme Court justices, university presidents, ambassadors, doctors, lawyers, astronauts, scientists and inventors, artists, authors, and on and on...
you really feel with Obama's election to this one office that significantly more options are open to people of color socially speaking?
I won't tell you that you don't feel this or that way about it. I just don't see that with his election much has changed materially in the scope of options open to people of color socially speaking. I think Obama's election is an effect, not a cause. It reflects what was already the case. But no doubt for some close-minded people it will precipitate a change of attitude about what's possible.
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Tom
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| Posted 1/21/2009 11:10 AM (GMT -6) | | Wait a sec.
Heck man, I was just thinking. I’ve been a religious and racial minority now for most of my life (in the Middle East since I was 19). And I’ve been made to ‘feel’ it too. Hmmm. Does that qualify me at all to understand what other minorities go through? Hmmmm. ;o)
I was just wondering whether we could ask Obama your question D (or a similar question) about what uniquely grounds his qualifications to speak as representative of black America. I mean, he was raised by his white grandparents in Kansas, right? Not saying he didn’t struggle. But come on. I was bussed to an all black High School (which was only 85% black after they bussed us white students in). I bet by High School graduation I had more exposure to and made friends with more American black kids than Obama had at the same point in his life.
But his skin is darker than mine. I guess that’s the qualification. Oh well.
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One Love
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| Posted 1/21/2009 11:18 AM (GMT -6) | | Tom:
And whether I'm able to judge this commentator's view as racist is, also, not one of them.
1) This comment demonstrates that you may have a different take on "racism" than I do.
2) We'd probably just better drop this. Actually, I'll just drop it.
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Tom
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 1/21/2009 11:50 AM (GMT -6) | | Tommy: Well, you tell me D. Why wouldn't black people be encouraged by all these black people who did achieve their dreams before Obama got elected to believe that America is a place where black people can achieve their dreams? What do successful black people say about the possibility of black success in America prior to Obama's election?
Dang.
I'm not saying black people haven't faced greater obstacles. I'm not saying there are no black people who had dreams but who were consistently shut out and disabled. I'm just saying that black people have every reason prior to Obama's election to believe that they CAN succeed. Nobody's success is guaranteed.
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I won't tell you that you don't feel this or that way about it. I just don't see that with his election much has changed materially in the scope of options open to people of color socially speaking. I think Obama's election is an effect, not a cause. It reflects what was already the case. But no doubt for some close-minded people it will precipitate a change of attitude about what's possible.
My think'n is this is that I don't think D hasn't been touched by racism. Nor do I think he hasn't been influenced by the sentiment (true or false) that has been a part of African American culture. MY problem is that I don't think D sees the underlined parts as reflecting or arising out of SERIOUS political mishap. And that this political mishap is the same question for ALL people. As with Tommy though, I could never tell D what his feelings are or should be.
Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa
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Similitude
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| Posted 1/22/2009 11:13 AM (GMT -6) | | | I think there is a sense in which we're all saying something true. People are motivated differently. Because of that, certain people are better motivated by certain presidents than others regardless of the actual propriety or lack thereof of a given president's governing. I've read that polls indicate that significant numbers of people are somewhat demoralized within the first 6 months or more after a presidential election. So that makes the point.
On the other hand, true love can be tough. It will not motivate everyone better either (it motivated the Pharisees to murder). We must become all things to all men while never compromising the truth. We must walk in wisdom knowing how to answer every man, because not everyone has the same strengths and weaknesses. We ought to bend over backwards to overcome evil with good--but only to the extent that we can still abide in the straight and narrow way.
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