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One Love
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| Posted 3/9/2009 3:55 PM (GMT -6) |   | Actually, Tom, I would like Moore's email. Maybe I oughta just shoot in the dark and ask him about this...
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 3/9/2009 4:01 PM (GMT -6) | | I got more to say on that other thing...
The "remedy for despair" is to "rest in the power which establishes it". Now, it would be a mistake to equate that sort of rest with utter aquiesence, such that one is "incapable of acting on my own". Willing to be in such a state, especially as intensified here, would be an expression of "willing to not be oneself". It would be a sort of suicide, which indeed is darkest despair, paralleled only by the converse of willing to be oneself (the demonic). So it's not the worst form of despair, but tied for it!
To be utterly determined by another is equivalent to choosing to be the drunk in the back of the wagon instead of the driver, as we were intended.
It would be one thing to say this...
Lord, I hate/fear my existence and don't want anything to do with this. I cannot be who I want to be so, here...YOU do everything in this human hypostasis.
THAT would be despair of weakness with respect to God, as I see it. But it's a whole other thing to say this...
Lord, I want to be my truest existence, which is only the "self" I am when Your Indwelling Grace is at work in everything in this human hypostasis.
The self is "self-as-spirit" and free from despair is when in relating itself to itself and willing to be itself, it transparently rests in the Ground of it's being, right, Corey?
See what I'm saying? Self rejection is NOT self-emptying. Both deal with utter dependency on God and willed inability to act on one's own...but there's a BIIIIG difference, n'est pas?
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler Post Edited (One Love) : 3/9/2009 4:09:45 PM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 3/9/2009 4:04 PM (GMT -6) | | Whole thread
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler | | Back to Top | | |
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Corey
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| Posted 3/9/2009 8:37 PM (GMT -6) | | | D: The self is "self-as-spirit" and free from despair is when in relating itself to itself and willing to be itself, it transparently rests in the Ground of it's being, right, Corey? See what I'm saying? Self rejection is NOT self-emptying. Both deal with utter dependency on God and willed inability to act on one's own...but there's a BIIIIG difference, n'est pas?
C: I was commenting on Moore's writing, explaining how I tried to make sense of what he was saying; darkest despair can be an apt description from his perspective. Tying in SK here, I suggested it is the despair of suicide rather than the despair of defiance. This remains my opinion of what Moore had in mind. But maybe you can ask him for clarification.
All the rest of this is too speculative for my tastes these days. I simply don't know -- or how to know -- what "self-emptying" will be like in the eschaton. God seems to like paradoxes, so I wouldn't be surprised if it is simultaneous with truly self-determined novelty in creative expressions of beauty. I don't see any incompatibility there.
Anyway, for me, "resting in the power which establishes me" means not investing too much one way or another on these speculative matters. Willing this position or that position is too slippery of a slope toward either pole of despair. Given my falleness, it would likely become more of a statement on my weakness or defiance today than on how things will actually be in the future. | | Back to Top | | |
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