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Similitude
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Tom
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| Posted 8/10/2009 2:00 AM (GMT -6) | | Yeah, another kick-a** paper from the RhodaMeister!! Good stuff. I saw it a few months ago as he was finalizing it. I'm game if you are, but it'll end up in the exact same issues we've locked horns over! Ha.
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Tom
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| Posted 8/10/2009 3:57 AM (GMT -6) | | Jeff,
How do you want to discuss it? Have you read it yet? We can each just say whether or not we agree and why, or we can take it a step at a time using Alan’s outline (the page numbers are listed) and post any questions or comments we have.
It should be interesting, because I define gratuitous evil differently than Alan (I think), and I think gratuitous evil DOES occur, but I don't think it defeats theism.
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Similitude
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| Posted 8/10/2009 7:48 AM (GMT -6) | | | No, Tom. I haven't read it. And I want to see how Alan defines gratuitous evil, myself. The way I define gratuituous evil, it is evil that it is "vain" with respect to the "functioning" of THIS world. By "this world," I mean, at least, the world as it functions prior to the parousia. But I don't see these sufferings as ABSOLUTELY vain. Because, due to the Fall, they are, in some sense, NOT vain or gratuitous. They are part of what allows the project to continue in its state. To me ABSOLUTELY gratuitous evil DOES seem problematic. So yeah, it'll be the same issues all over again. But I at least want to see how he defines and why. I'm curious to see if at root his definitions of sin, intent, preference, etc. are involved in how he defines "gratuitous." See ya'll in a week. Grace, Peace, & Mercy to us all!
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Tom
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| Posted 8/10/2009 9:50 AM (GMT -6) | | Ah, well, I'll gonna open it up on a fresh thread. In the meantime, read it, OK? Read it TEN times!
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