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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 9/16/2009 7:15 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.


QUOTING FROM AN ARTICLE...

http://www.stnectariospress.com/parish/river_of_fire.htm

 

 
So in the language of the Holy Scriptures, "just" means good and loving. We speak of the just men of the Old Testament. That does not mean that they were good judges but that they were kind and God-loving people. When we say that God is just, we do not mean that He is a good judge Who knows how to punish men equitably according to the gravity of their crimes, but on the contrary, we mean that He is kind and loving, forgiving all transgressions and disobediences, and that He wants to save us by all means, and never requites evil for evil. 22  In the first volume of the Philokalia there is a magnificent text of Saint Anthony which I must read to you here:
God is good, dispassionate, and immutable. Now someone who thinks it reasonable and true to affirm that God does not change, may well ask how, in that case, it is possible to speak of God as rejoicing over those who are good and showing mercy to those who honor Him, and as turning away from the wicked and being angry with sinners. To this it must be answered that God neither rejoices nor grows angry, for to rejoice and to be offended are passions; nor is He won over by the gifts of those who honor Him, for that would mean He is swayed by pleasure. It is not right that the Divinity feel pleasure or displeasure from human conditions. He is good, and He only bestows blessings and never does harm, remaining always the same. We men, on the other hand, if we remain good through resembling God, are united to Him, but if we become evil through not resembling God, we are separated from Him. By living in holiness we cleave to God; but by becoming wicked we make Him our enemy. It is not that He grows angry with us in an arbitrary way, but it is our own sins that prevent God from shining within us and expose us to demons who torture us. And if through prayer and acts of compassion we gain release from our sins, this does not mean that we have won God over and made Him to change, but that through our actions and our turning to the Divinity, we have cured our wickedness and so once more have enjoyment of God's goodness. Thus to say that God turns away from the wicked is like saying that the sun hides itself from the blind.23  [Chap. 150]


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   Posted 9/17/2009 9:40 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Such immutability is not exactly reminiscent of Jesus. Similar descriptions of God's immutability which I've come in contact with frequently share the characteristic of not mentioning any examples from Jesus' life. Perhaps the gospels focus too much on his comPASSION to be suitable source material.

I've got respect for Anthony, and maybe something is lost in translation, but my feeling is that belief in an immutable, impassible God is dangerous. The Spirit moves within us in passionate ways. Our Savior's most frequent command of us was to imitate his passion. At very least such a belief is in sharp contrast to the way God is presented frequently in the Bible. To reduce all commands to shout, cry out, sing, dance, and rend our garments to metaphor so that we keep "resembling [immutable] God" is to trivialize quite a bit of our tradition and to take a fairly condescending attitude toward our ancient fore-bearers.
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   Posted 9/17/2009 10:16 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yes. "Saying and unsaying to a positive effect." (Not the philosopher's view of impassibility.)

So, in this life we do not always exhibit Christ's impassibility of not giving in to temptation...BUT, by the Spirit we do share in that in victory often--between falling and geting up again.


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