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One Love
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Posted 11/13/2009 5:34 AM (GMT -6)

Thought from a sermon:

If we want to live forever, we'd better get used to prayer.

Only God has eternity, right?

"Creation is allowed in intimate love to speak to the Creator as if to a lover. As the Creator loves the creation, so the creation loves the Creator. The whole world has been embraced by this kiss."
Hildegard of Bingen

Know me, Eternal Lover...and help me to know You...

Tom
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Posted 11/13/2009 8:52 AM (GMT -6)

Dude, have you talked about Paul Fiddes's book "Participating in God" around here?

Read a review. Sounds awesome. Plus he's an open theist. It's right there in his book. Dang.

Tom

"Man is a person not by nature but by spirit. By nature he is only an individual." Nicolas Berdyaev

Starkman
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Posted 11/13/2009 1:42 PM (GMT -6)

I believe that when we enter into the throne room of our Lord's presence as if He is our dear friend, and we are no longer thinking or looking at the clock or giving thought to time at all, and being with Him is like sitting with our friends, family and spouses—words don't even need to be spoken; it's enough just being with—then our "All I can do now is pray" becomes "Thank goodness I can be with my Friend." And this truly changes much.

Starkman

One Love
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Posted 11/13/2009 2:24 PM (GMT -6)

Sho nuff, Starky. Quoting you from another thread...

"...what sex in marriage is for a couple is what communion in relationship with God is for the saints. It is the most intimate act--the act of conjugation--the Bride of Christ can express with her Lord."

yessir...spousal intimacy...Knowing and being known, face to face...eternal spiritual "conjugation"...being one with the Lord in spirit...

Know me, Eternal Lover...and help me to know You...

Post Edited (One Love) : 11/13/2009 1:30:21 PM (GMT-6)

One Love
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Posted 11/13/2009 2:57 PM (GMT -6)

It's wonderful, Tom.

Know me, Eternal Lover...and help me to know You...

One Love
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Posted 11/13/2009 3:00 PM (GMT -6)

"Four Pastoral Concerns about Persons"
Pages 19-27

You'll love it, Tom.

Know me, Eternal Lover...and help me to know You...

Tom
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Posted 11/13/2009 3:06 PM (GMT -6)

Gotta get it. When I get home maybe.

The anti-openness crowd have figured out the it all boils down to the doctrine of God (and the trinity), and that what's most important is whether God is love, whether God's being is somehow constituted as love. We of course say that's the case. But dissenters of the open view understand that this can't be the case. I just finished a PhD diss against the OV that engages the trinitarian theologies Zizioulas, LaGugna, and Fiddes and find fault with them all on this very point--they all claim God is love and THAT is needed to make the OV work (though obviously it doesn't mean you end up an OVer, like Zizy). But without it there's no OV. This PhD diss. works so hard to move love OUT of the center. Dang.

T

"Man is a person not by nature but by spirit. By nature he is only an individual." Nicolas Berdyaev

PotOnWheel
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Posted 11/13/2009 5:56 PM (GMT -6)

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