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One Love
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| Posted 11/24/2009 8:34 PM (GMT -6) |   | | But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.
I figured that doing the opposite of what this says would be...well...counter the "last days" culture (hence the name). I tried to think of what would truly be opposite of each term. This is what I came up with...
In the last days, Christ-ones are to be lovers of others rather than themselves, detached of material possessions, have quietness of spirit, humble, compassionate, obedient, grateful, holy, loving, forgiving, speaking gracefully of all people, having self-control, tender, lovers of the good, faithful, patient, lowly of heart, lovers of God rather than lovers of pleasure--having a form of godliness AND power.
I'm thinking this is how the Spirit of Christ will "re-present" Christ in these last days...expressions of the Fruit.
By God's Grace, go we...
Be the change you want to see in the world. -Ghandi
I. D. G. A. F.
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One Love
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| Posted 11/25/2009 12:08 PM (GMT -6) | | I find these to be helpful parameters.
"Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength"
"Love your neighbor as yourself."
"Whatever you do to the least of these, you have done to Me."
"If you love me, you will keep My Commandments."
By the time it's all over, you "see" Christ's (unknown) Presence in the eyes of all human human beings (including yourself) by the power of the Christ's Spirit. Whatever crap some people's minds are doing in the meantime, you know what the most real aspect of that created being is REALLY based on: Christ. And you know that there is a destiny for that created "true self". And you can forgive them (and yourself) for being sinners acting in ignorance and unbelief...because you know what, by God's Grace, they will be later. You live live in the future...now.
Beyond all this, it is just true human nature to love freely...and to choose against this is to destroy one's own soul...and bring death to creation. Loder said this...and I think it's patently correct.
"It's [Convictional knowing] definition resides in Christ and its power in His Spirit, but it's enactment is the particular "duty" of each on who has been so loved [by God]. I say duty--the word suggested by Kierkegaard for the motive that lies behind "works of love"-- not to inflict moral conscience on a gracious act of the Spirit of God. Rather, to continue to love as one has been loved [by God] is the only way to abide in the transformation effected by His Spirit. This is what gives ultimate sanction to our claim that convictional knowing is the way of love; the only way to participate in it is to give love as it was given [by God]. To fail to give love is implicitly to participate in self-destruction or in destruction of the self as spirit."
James Loder
The Tranforming Moment
Chapter: From Negation to Love, page 180
I. D. G. A. F.
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One Love
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| Posted 11/25/2009 12:30 PM (GMT -6) | | Another good quote on this...
Consider Kierkegaard's surprising formulation "love believes all---and yet is never deceived." He is not saying, of course, that one may not be deceived about this or that, but that to choose to love is to choose for the truth about oneself, and this cannot be defiled by anyone. The only way one can truly be deceived is to get into a sitation of immediacy and reaction and fail to choose to love--and instead choose for expediencey, self-interest, and the like. In this instance, one IS deceived even if one shrewdly prevented ordinary deception on the part of another. This is because the only real deception is SELF-deception--the failure to choose for the love into which faith has leaped. [OL's Note: God's Love; the failure to choose to love is the failure to choose to receive God's grace. One cuts oneself OFF from Grace.]
This may illustrate not only the centrality of choice in the preservation of oneself in the life of faith, but also the way that the eternal and existential coinhere in Kierkegaard's understanding of our human duty to love. This coinherence is essential to what it means to be human, but to fail to see this coinherence as an aspect of the irreducible complementarity between the eternal and existential is to misunderstand love and implicitly reduce it to a form of despair." (OL's Note: IMO, this means that love becomes ATTACHMENT, which is NOT love...like Matthew said in that "Detachment" piece.
James Loder
Knight's Move
"Kierkegaard and Chalcedon"
Page 108
When I see this, you can see how Jesus (who never failed to love his God, his neighbors, or himself) held his personhood to the end as he gave himself up "to the uttermost" in love. No matter what the the world did to Jesus, he never DEGRADED HIMSELF into "individuality" by failing to choose to love.
Whereas ALL the rest of us humans have...degraded ourselves by failing to love at one time or another, I mean.
I. D. G. A. F.
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| Posted 11/25/2009 12:47 PM (GMT -6) | | Something else.
How much of contemporary American society (including the "relevant" American megachurch) is about EXPEDIENCY, SELF-INTEREST (in all it's various forms)...and the LIKE (maybe rampant individualism)?
Talk about swimming upstream. Dang.
I. D. G. A. F.
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| Posted 11/27/2009 10:32 AM (GMT -6) | | Greg talked about generational curses last week.
See it in full color. From the documentary about Lil Wayne called "The Carter". It's directed by Quincey Jones' son. Pretty good. In this clip, he talks about his molestation at age 11...and what he thinks about that.
Start at 4:00...and the clip ends at 6:00.
It's generational curses...as real as it gets.
But see the tragedy. Lil Wayne and Young Money are the HOTTEST THINGS OUT right now. Worldwide. Yeah. Worldwide.
And he's a sexual abuse victim that's never gotten any real therapeutic help. Ever. And STILL working with and for his chief abuser, his "pa", Birdman...whom he'd been working for since he was 8 or 9. What chance did he have? Really.
The sins of the fathers will be visited on the sons...and so forth. And this is only ONE of the stories like this. Lord have mercy on us all.
I. D. G. A. F.
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| Posted 11/27/2009 10:51 AM (GMT -6) | | | If you went further in the clip (meaning after 6:00) you would have seen them interview "Reginae Carter", Lil Wayne's daughter. You can kinda get a feel for her throughout the film. Seeing that, this just plain scares me...
Lil Wayne and TI's daughters start tween-pop group: The hip-hop heavyweights' pre-teen offspring have formed their own band, OMG Girlz.
Hear their song "Ain't Nobody Thinkin' Bout You" Reginae's singing. Between 10 and 11 years old, now. Catch the lyrics. There the SAME LYRICS that she used in her interview in "The Carter" And as she says she be stunting like her daddy. So familiar a statement that is. Yeah...
Giving new meaning to the term "shorty", the pre-teen daughters of Lil Wayne and TI have formed a pop group. The pint-sized OMG Girlz have begun work on their debut album and hope to snag a verse from Lil Wayne before the rapper heads to jail.
OMG Girlz were conceived by Tameka "Tiny" Cottle, who was smitten with her daughter Zonnique's singing and dancing skills. Tiny then approached Lil Wayne's ex-wife, with whom she stars on reality TV show Tiny & Toya, to see if 10-year-old Reginae Carter might be interested in teaming up. "[Reginae] started rapping for me and I thought this would be great," Cottle told MTV.
Can you say "Lindsay Lohan", boys and girls? Lord, help.
I. D. G. A. F.
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