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One Love
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   Posted 12/26/2009 4:35 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ok.  Two terms:
 
Mesiras Nefesh
Although rare, there are instances within Jewish law that mandate a Jew to sacrifice his or her own life rather than violate a religious prohibition. In these situations, this phenomenon of mandatory self-sacrifice overrides the ordinarily stringent counter-demand to transgress any religious restrictions in order to preserve human life.
 
Pikuach Nefesh
 (Hebrew: פיקוח נפש‎, "saving of human life") is the principle in Jewish law that the saving of a human life is paramount, overriding virtually any other religious consideration. When the life of a specific human being is in danger, almost any negative commandment of the Torah may be broken, with just three exceptions.
 
 
Idolatry
Sexual Immorality
Murder
 
Ok. Think about this with me.  Let's just say that Jesus KNEW about both Mesiras Nefesh and
Pikuach Nefesh, at least in principle of being a part of Jewish law.  Can we see Jesus teaching about any of these?  Let's see...
 
Idolatry
"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."  The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus.  He said to them, "You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God's sight.

 
Sexual Immorality
"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.  If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.  And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
 
 
Murder
"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister  will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca, ' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.
 
    "Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you,  leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to that person; then come and offer your gift.

Hmmmm... idea

Jesus seems to hold Pikuach Nefesh and Mesiras Nefesh in almost unbearable tension for ANY person more grounded in conventional wisdom and self-centeredness.
 
Long story short...By bringing these 3 exceptional sins to the INNER LIFE OF THE "HEART" (It's not what goes into a man that defiles, but what comes out of a man, etc. ) instead of attempted outward conformity, he basically forced the issue of "self-sacrifice" being a LOT less "rare" that many people of his day (and ours) thought reasonable or desirable.  Basically, he revealed the untransformed heart to be pretty much continual purveyors of idolatry, covetness, and malice. At the same time, he NEVER LET UP on the "saving human life" at the expense of religious considerations.
 
Remember this?
 
Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there.  Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath.  Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, "Stand up in front of everyone."
 
    Then Jesus asked them, "Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?" But they remained silent.
 
    He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored.  Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.
 
and this...?
 
One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?"
 
    He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need?  In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions."
 
    Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for people, not people for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
 
Oh, yeah.  I can see why he got on everyone's nerves. :p 
 
He took both both Mesiras Nefesh and Pikuach Nefesh to their furthest extremes (which would makes sense for the Messiah, who should be a Tzadik)....and the Jewish religious status quo didn't like it.
 
Yeah...
 
Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.
 
Make sense...or am I crazy with this? :p


Lord Jesus, have mercy.

Post Edited (One Love) : 12/26/2009 3:48:00 AM (GMT-6)

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   Posted 12/26/2009 4:49 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."


Lord Jesus, have mercy.

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   Posted 12/26/2009 9:46 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
D: Make sense...or am I crazy with this?
 
J: I resolve it by recognizing that loving my neighbor also means considering post-mortem states of my neighbor. Given that future reality, I must lose my own life if necessary to never deny the TRUE God/godhead. So if I'm captured with a partner, and my captors tell me that unless I deny Christ, they will kill my partner, I can NOT deny Christ, even if I could KNOW that by doing so my partner's life would be spared. But loving God, thus, according to the 1st and greatest commandment, can still be to the benefit of my ultimately killed partner, according to the 2nd greatest commandment, because post-mortem states can RENDER it thus. God can work out things for the good over time that could NOT be attained in the time-frame of this life by normal causal means. If this life were all there was, moral relativity would be the only conceivable RATIONAL moral theory to go with.

But no doubt about it, Jesus was a Jew. Per Paul, he was born under the Law that he might RANSOM those who died under the curse of that Law.


 

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   Posted 12/26/2009 10:02 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Similtude:
If this life were all there was, moral relativity would be the only conceivable RATIONAL moral theory to go with.

If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus for merely human reasons, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised, "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die."
 
Right?

Seems like the Resurrection of Jesus is even MORE REASON to follow his "narrow way" teachings...regardless of the existential suffering that may occur in this life.  Both Jesus and Paul were in line with  the tradition of the Pharisees when it came to belief in resurrection, it seems.


Lord Jesus, have mercy.

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   Posted 12/26/2009 10:19 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. You will live in the land I gave your forefathers; you will be my people, and I will be your God.

Ezekiel 36:25-28

I'm betting the Jesus was able to "follow God's decress" and "keep his laws" by the power of the Spirit...as the "anonted one."


Lord Jesus, have mercy.

Post Edited (One Love) : 12/26/2009 9:22:04 AM (GMT-6)

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   Posted 12/26/2009 2:49 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Indeed!


 

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   Posted 12/27/2009 11:43 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? 'Father, save me from this hour'? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour. Father, glorify your name!*"

Then a voice came from heaven, "I have glorified it, and will glorify it again."

*"The ultimate act of Kiddush Hashem is when a Jew is prepared to sacrifice his life rather than transgress any of God’s three cardinal sins: Serving idols (belief in another religion), committing certain sexual acts (such as incest or adultery), or committing murder."


Lord Jesus, have mercy.

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   Posted 1/20/2012 3:11 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
A Jewish View of Jesus
Rabbi Barry Leff
December 29, 2011
 
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What Is Motivating the Global Ban on 'Kosher Jesus'?


Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

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   Posted 1/20/2012 4:15 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Imitatio De-I - Imitation of G-d

Compassion and loving-kindness are the noble attributes by which man likens himself to his Creator. By performing the benevolent acts of Gemilut Chassadim man brings to the fore the Divine Image in which he was created. Gemilut Chassadim is the great principle of imitatio De-i, the "imitation of G-d" that man is commanded to effect as his chief aim in life.

It is significant to note that the principle of imitatio De-i is a mitzvah (a command and precept) all on its own. We follow the ways of G-d by imitating the Divine attributes of showing compassion and extending loving-kindness, by Gemilut Chassadim. The specific acts of Gemilut Chassadim, however, are classified under other mitzvot, independent of the mitzvah of imitatio De-i. Some codifiers regard most of the specific acts of Gemilut Chassadim (enumerated above) as distinct mitzvot of the Torah. Others include them in the comprehensive mitzvah of "you shall love your fellow as yourself" (Leviticus 19:18).


Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

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   Posted 1/20/2012 4:25 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Ok, y'all. This is what gets me.

There's every reason to believe that the historical Jesus actually taught the Great Commandments (Basically, restatements of the Deut 6:5 and Lev. 19:18, as mentioned...Love of God and love of neighbor as oneself) as being CENTRAL to the life of faith. Anyone of ANY faith who seriously delved into the historical roots of Jesus could AT LEAST come away saying that.

Now, look at what Rabbi Shmuley Boteach says...

"And why shouldn't Judaism get the credit it deserves for the values it has disseminated to the world through Christianity. Virtually all Jewish ideas that have shaped the world have been taken from our people without attribution, so that Judaism is treated today as a discarded relic with no contemporary relevance.

We gave the world G-d. Today his name is Jesus Christ. We gave the world the Sabbath. Today it's called Sunday. We gave the world the Ten Commandments. Today it is called morality. And we gave the world the biblical insistence that all humans are created equally in the image of G-d. Today it's called democracy. As a result, young Jews are not even aware of the transformative ideas of their religion, which might explain why they take insufficient pride in their tradition.

It's time these universal Jewish ideas that have so influenced the world be traced back to their original source. It's time that the Jewishness of Jesus be rediscovered by Christians. It's time for the light of Judaism to brighten the world and for the Jews to live up to their ancient biblical mandate as a light unto the nations."

Now let's look at something...

If he really believes what he says, I'd ask him these questions:

1) Do you believe Jesus was a Tzadik as well as Rabbi? 
 
2) Did Jesus embody devekut?

3) Could a relative no-name like who Jesus was have done so much to spread Jewish wisdom throughout the world WITHOUT God's sanction and "exaltation"? In other words, isn't God behind Jesus' success in this regard?
 
and...

4) Given 1-3, how could Jesus not at least QUALIFY to be Messiah?


Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

Post Edited (One Love) : 1/20/2012 3:35:32 PM (GMT-6)

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