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One Love
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Posted 5/22/2010 8:22 AM (GMT -6)

1) God Himself (Love) is personally "residing" within every human being.

2) Every human being is unceasingly beautiful to God.

These are IMMUTABLE ASPECTS of the Uncreated Creator Spirit/Creation bi-polar assymetrical relationship.

Agreed, Tom?

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

Post Edited (One Love) : 5/22/2010 8:27:23 AM (GMT-5)

One Love
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Posted 5/22/2010 8:57 AM (GMT -6)

Sing this to 3 random people you meet.

The Jesus in me loves the Jesus in You
The Jesus in me loves the Jesus in You...
so easy
so easy
so easy
cause Jesus is Love.

(Christian "Namaste" )

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

Tom
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Posted 5/22/2010 9:07 AM (GMT -6)

I like them, of course. God is love, and God loves and values us! (2 follows from 1; if God IS love, then God is God to all things that exist.)

I'm not quite sure about the song though. Yes, the Jesus in me loves the Jesus in you. But it's ALSO true that "I" (the person who is not Jesus) loves both the Jesus in you as well as "you" (the person who is not Jesus in you). In other words, THROUGH the power of the Spirit, there are non-divine lovers and non-divine loved ones in the world. But your song has it as if there only person doing ANY loving and being loved is Jesus.

Tom

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One Love
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Posted 5/22/2010 9:15 AM (GMT -6)

Gotcha on needing clarity for that. I think the song says as much: The Jesus IN ME loves the Jesus IN YOU. "You" and "me" have actual reality...as much as Jesus in BOTH of us. Also, keep all of this in the context of "Whatever you've done to the least of these, you've done to Me" Remember what I've said before: In the Spirit of Christ, we are to "be" Christ to every person as "unto" Christ Himself because Christ is "in" every person. There are indeed non-divine lovers and beloved...but Creation itself, including all persons, are seen with the "lens" of the Spiritual Presence of Christ.

Agreed?

And as far as the two things, I think it's important to articulate God's personal presence in every human outright. People who hold a TWO-STOREY VIEW of the Creator/Creation relationship can believe that God is love...WITHOUT believing that God is personally present in all human beings on Earth. See what I'm saying?

We want to remove the illusion of the "two-storey" view of the Creator/Creation relationship.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

Post Edited (One Love) : 5/22/2010 9:21:32 AM (GMT-5)

Tom
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Posted 5/22/2010 9:48 AM (GMT -6)

D: Gotcha on needing clarity for that. I think the song says as much: The Jesus IN ME loves the Jesus IN YOU. Agreed?

T: I wouldn't say it like that. I'm sure Jesus loves himself wherever he sees himself. But he also loves others than himself, and is loved by others than himself, as do others than Jesus love others than Jesus.

"The Jesus IN ME loves the Jesus IN YOU" still limits the loving subject and the beloved to JUST JESUS. You're saying we're just the SPACE where Jesus loves himself, and I wouldn't say that's all we are.

Tom

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One Love
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Posted 5/22/2010 10:01 AM (GMT -6)

Tom:
I'm sure Jesus loves himself wherever he sees himself. But he also loves others than himself, and is loved by others than himself, as do others than Jesus love others than Jesus.

Then the song is formally true, yet incomplete. Right?

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Tom:
"The Jesus IN ME loves the Jesus IN YOU" still limits the loving subject and the beloved to JUST JESUS. You're saying we're just the SPACE where Jesus loves himself, and I wouldn't say that's all we are.

True, yet incomplete. I just like the focus of Jesus IN ME and IN YOU (and in everyone else).

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

Tom
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Posted 5/22/2010 4:34 PM (GMT -6)

D: Then the song is formally true, yet incomplete. Right?

T: It's always true to say God loves Godself. I'm not sure who would disagree. But why would you want to stop there? What would you like to tell those three random people about THEMSELVES? Just that God is in each of them loving Godself? What about THEM? i.e., what about them, OTHER than that they are where God loves Godself? Would you like to tell them THEY can get in on the action? I mean, they could be as evil as Satan and it would still be true that God loves Godself in them. So, why would you want to adopt a FOCUS for us that says absolutely nothing about US as LOVERS and LOVED?

Tom

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One Love
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Posted 5/22/2010 4:41 PM (GMT -6)

The song existed long before I knew about it, Tom. The POINT, Tom, is to get people to actually BELIEVE that Jesus (God) truly IS in every human being via the Holy Spirit. Jesus is IN me. Jesus is IN you. Jesus is IN him. Jesus is IN her. Etc.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

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