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One Love
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   Posted 1/19/2011 4:48 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Brandon:
IOW, there is an a priori assumption of the permeation of the Spirit in and through creation which grounds creation and creational activity ie., civil encounters.

Amos Yong's 3 Axioms for his Pneumatological approach to Theology of Religions (per "Beyond the Impasse" ):

1) God is universally present and active in the Spirit.

2) God's Spirit is the life-breath of the imago Dei in every human being and the presupposition of all human relationships and communities.

3) The religions of the world, like everything else that exists, are providentially sustained by the Spirit of God for divine purposes.

These axioms are why, for the longest time, I've felt as free to indwell Hinduism, Buddhism, Kabbalah, and Sufism as much as I have.  God's truth is everywhere...because the Spirit of Truth is everywhere!  biggrin


Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

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   Posted 1/19/2011 4:51 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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   Posted 1/19/2011 5:06 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Gotta jet to work. But, hmmm...I don't know if that works either way. A. I wanna say that it's possible to use the category of numbers in the use of an analogy, but I'm not for sure. B. I think we still end up with the same answer. The infinite set of numbers in the set is not affected by the subtraction of the finite.


Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

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   Posted 1/19/2011 5:32 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Maybe it comes down to this: Does God love his "neighbor" (Creation) as Godself...or is God incapable of doing so?


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   Posted 1/19/2011 5:34 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
God's compassion upon Creation is a contingent expression of uncreated loving-kindness.


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   Posted 1/22/2011 6:51 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I just got a good analogy for a dimension of how God suffers with humans, I think.

Ok. Imagine the most beloved, important person in your life became a raging substance abuser who chronically did self-destructive (intentional and non-intentional) behavior right in front of you...all day, everyday. Imagine further that they were largely oblivious to their state, and resented you for trying to help them free themselves from that state? Would you feel any sorrow over their state? Or compassion for them in that state?

Now, what if this like unto the "grief of the Spirit" that God experiences with his children who enact self-destruction via constant sin?

That's reasonable, yeah?


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   Posted 1/22/2011 6:53 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This sermon convicted the heck outta me!

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And it looks like the Spirit's BEEN convictin'.  Look at what John Piper JUST WROTE!!!

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Groaning over Grieving the Holy Spirit

One of the poems I wrote during my leave of absence grew out of my sorrows over grieving the Holy Spirit. It is bad enough to know that God is dishonored by my sin. But to hear Paul connect my particular sins with grieving the Holy Spirit was even more painful.

This he does in Ephesians 4:30–32. He says, “Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.” And then he names my sins: “Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.”

There are mysteries in the self-sufficient Spirit being grieved. And there are many sorrows in saints who do it. And there is a day coming when it will be done no more.

                  Doubly Relieved

My patient Comforter, my God,
     My Life, my Breath, my holy Zeal,
My soul is doubly sorrowful:
     That I still sin against your Seal,

And sinning cause my Sovereign grief.
     I know it is your holy way
To make your grief serve perfect joy,
      But I still pray, O bring the day

When, in the twinkling of an eye,
     My soul will doubly be relieved:
I will not ever sin again,
     And you will nevermore be grieved.

 
 
 
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I feel you, man.  I feel you.


Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

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   Posted 1/23/2011 1:03 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I could go with that?  It's just that I wonder if a 24hr orgastic type experience that the triune God experiences in Godself can genuinely be empathetic towards the groanings of creation.  As you say, maybe there is an over-emphasis on the orgastic experience which would mean that God's neighbour does grieve him, which is also to say that God experiences and appreciates that nice little back massage we give him (our worship). 


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