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One Love
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Posted 1/23/2011 11:37 AM (GMT -6)

Do you use any of these 13 things? I know I do. My hands are not clean on this.

This is why none of Old Navy's clothing items are made in America, but in India, Afganistan, China, Malaysia, and the like.

Lord, have mercy on my participation in this mess! sad

(How's that coffee or hot chocolate you've been drinking?)

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

Similitude
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Posted 1/23/2011 12:31 PM (GMT -6)

Does anyone here think America couldn't lead a campaign with the United Nations to stop this? This stuff is easy to fix when you're not bought and paid for by the very kinds of people you would be criticizing. The reason why our political leaders don't do this is the same reason why many church leaders won't do much of nothing. It is costly in the short run. Paul got into serious trouble just by NON-FORCEFULLY undermining the profitability of idol production. The love of money is a very powerful motivator for many.

One Love
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Posted 1/23/2011 1:28 PM (GMT -6)

Similtude:
Does anyone here think America couldn't lead a campaign with the United Nations to stop this? This stuff is easy to fix when you're not bought and paid for by the very kinds of people you would be criticizing. The reason why our political leaders don't do this is the same reason why many church leaders won't do much of nothing. It is costly in the short run. Paul got into serious trouble just by NON-FORCEFULLY undermining the profitability of idol production. The love of money is a very powerful motivator for many.

It's like this, bro. We know how harmful tobacco is (which is, interesting, one of the 13 things), but yet allow profit margins to dull any sense of political resolve or moral will such that political leaders and the tobacco industry figurately sleep with each other all the time. If American political leaders cannot help their OWN COUNTRY in this situation, I doubt seriously they will care about economic oppression like this in other nations.

Just my opinion.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

Similitude
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Posted 1/23/2011 2:06 PM (GMT -6)

That's the key. They CAN'T help their own country "in this situation." There's at least two senses in which a person can't help another:

1) The sense in which one is so solidified they simply cannot choose their way to the right action.

2) The sense in which one can only be part of a solution if enough OTHER people are involved in the solution, but there just isn't enough OTHER people capable or willing to help.

Either way, our leaders can find it in themselves to talk about what they can't, in fact, do. But if they could actually do what they speak about incessantly, they could solve most of these kinds of problems relatively quickly. So the huge disconnect between words and actions becomes a real problem in representative government.

So then when we get it down to whether my personal involvement in a market is gonna make or break child slavery, it becomes very hard to do the utilitarian math. If complicity is inevitable, we can only concern ourselves with what we can plausibly make a positive difference in.

Post Edited (Similitude) : 1/23/2011 3:12:00 PM (GMT-6)

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