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Asher
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Posted 3/20/2011 1:35 PM (GMT -6)

Looks like I'll be finished reading Trinity and Process today. But there is some missing text that someone on here may be able to get for me.

Bottom of page 351:

i.2.5 T: God as the All-Inclusive Summum Bonum

If A:1-3 are considered to be refuted, then the only remaining alternative is to
conceive of a necessary reality which consciously encompasses and eternally remem-
bers and appreciates the good achieved in human life and which also constitutes the

Top of Page 352:

in a word, is to admit the existence of a morally perfect God. Hence Hartshornes's
moral argument arrives at the conclusion that there is a summum bonum, and it is "to
enrich the divine life (by promoting the good life among creatures)."

HELP!

There's probably only a line or two of text missing, but I'm that OCD that I WANT IT!

Dwayne? Tom? Anybody?

Tom
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Posted 3/20/2011 2:29 PM (GMT -6)

I'm missing it as well. My guess is we all are.

I'm gonna write Greg about it and ask him to find the missing link for us!

Other than that, Asher, what do you think about it? We should start a T&P category for those who have read it or are reading through it.

Tom

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Asher
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Posted 3/20/2011 3:44 PM (GMT -6)

I like Hartshorne. I like his theological construction. Speaking of aesthetics, his work is a thing of beauty. But there have always been a thing here and there in his work that either didn't seem quite there, or else seemed even "ugly" to me (like his take on the afterlife...i.e. there's not one as such).

And to give Greg the highest praise I know how to give...he polishes Hartshorne's work and makes it as near perfect as I have seen. Greg's work in this book is both philosophically rigorous...and makes a thing of beauty even more beautiful! For someone who likes/breathes well constructed philosophy and theology, Greg's work in this book is downright devotional! I time and time again found myself praising God while reading this book.

Tom
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Posted 3/20/2011 4:12 PM (GMT -6)

I know exactly what you mean, Asher. So many times reading it I'd say, "THIS is what I knew the answer would look and sound like, yes!"

I'd love to start a Trinity & Process discussion room (subroom) here.

Tom

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BBBCanada
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Posted 3/20/2011 7:39 PM (GMT -6)

I may be able to find it tmw at the University. They have it in two volumes. Don't know if that is what you were reading or if you were reading one large volume. If the two, it may be missing that section as well. Let me know what you are reading, OK?

Brandon

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To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

Asher
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Posted 3/20/2011 7:44 PM (GMT -6)

Hey Brandon,

I've got a one volume edition published by Peter Lang Publishing in 1992, so the two volume edition may have the passage. Thanks!

BBBCanada
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Posted 3/20/2011 8:31 PM (GMT -6)

OK...will check it out tmw morning.

Brandon

It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.

To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

BBBCanada
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Posted 3/21/2011 3:09 PM (GMT -6)

So I found the first passage and where it ends but can't find the second passage. I've looked several pages later, but still can't seem to find it. This was taken from microfilm anconverted into two volumes. could you tell me if it falls under "The Aesthetic Argument" (the next heading, which I don't think it does) or any other heading?

Brandon

It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.

To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

Asher
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Posted 3/21/2011 4:35 PM (GMT -6)

Whatever is missing will be toward the end of the...i. The Moral Argument

The major headings of The Moral Argument are these:

i. The Moral Argument
i.1 Introduction
i.2 The Tetralemma of the the Moral Argument
i.2.1 The Formal Argument
i.2.2 A1: Must There Be a Supreme Aim?
i.2.3 A2: Can There Be a Finite and Contingent Supreme Aim?
i.2.3.1 The Problem of Death
i.2.3.1.1 Might the Human Race Survive Eternally?
i.2.3.2 The Problem of a Multiplicity of Beneficiaries
i.2.4 A3: Can There Be An Eternal, Though Contingent, Supreme Aim?
i.2.5 T: God as the All-Inclusive Summum Bonum

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And it's this that ends page 351 in my text:

Bottom of page 351:

i.2.5 T: God as the All-Inclusive Summum Bonum

If A:1-3 are considered to be refuted, then the only remaining alternative is to
conceive of a necessary reality which consciously encompasses and eternally remem-
bers and appreciates the good achieved in human life and which also constitutes the

Footnotes 23,24 and 25 are actually what's at the very bottom of the page, but the above is the end of the main text on page 351

Then on page 352, it starts:

Top of Page 352:

in a word, is to admit the existence of a morally perfect God. Hence Hartshornes's
moral argument arrives at the conclusion that there is a summum bonum, and it is "to
enrich the divine life (by promoting the good life among creatures)."
The theistic implications of this argument shall be treated shortly. But first we
must consider the last of Hartshorne's theistic arguments: the aestethic argument.

Then comes:

ii. The Aesthetic Argument
ii.1 Introduction

We have, with the preceding arguments, noted the novelty of Hartshorne's a
priori approach in relation to arguments which proceeded it in the history of western

....and so on....

So what is missing is either a section of......i.2.5 T: God as the All-Inclusive Summum Bonum

or a part of that section, plus any section that comes after i.2.5, but before ii. The Aesthetic Argument

BBBCanada
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Posted 3/21/2011 7:51 PM (GMT -6)

Trying to upload the actual documents but it "attachment manager" won't upload them.

Brandon

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To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

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BBBCanada
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Posted 3/21/2011 8:00 PM (GMT -6)

I may have to actually email you the actual documents and let me know what you think. As I said, the second half is not there but it could be somewhere after The Aesthetic Argument which is on page 546 of the copy I have.

Brandon

It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.

To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

BBBCanada
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Posted 3/21/2011 8:41 PM (GMT -6)

Asher, I sent the documents to your yahoo account. You'll see where on page 545 it picks up after:

If A:1-3 are considered to be refuted, then the only remaining alternative is to
conceive of a necessary reality which consciously encompasses and eternally remem-
bers and appreciates the good achieved in human life and which also constitutes the

however, the second text of MY copy is not exactly the same as you have in your copy.

in a word, is to admit the existence of a morally perfect God. Hence Hartshornes's
moral argument arrives at the conclusion that there is a summum bonum, and it is "to
enrich the divine life (by promoting the good life among creatures)."
The theistic implications of this argument shall be treated shortly. But first we
must consider the last of Hartshorne's theistic arguments: the aestethic argument.

Brandon

It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.

To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

Asher
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Posted 3/21/2011 9:40 PM (GMT -6)

Got it Brandon, thanks.

I don't know which copy came first, but they are slightly different.

We'll call your copy Papyrus 1

and mine Papyrus 2

Anybody else discovered any other variants?

BBBCanada
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Posted 3/21/2011 11:17 PM (GMT -6)

I think the copy I've had would have been pretty much when it first came out as that is what the librarian said at the U. Without even looking at it she said, "This looks like it would have been the author's thesis from the way it looks." I took that to mean an early copy as she was not looking at a copy but rather the reference no.'s in the library system on the computer. Just the way it sounded. Glad to have been of some assistance! :-)

Brandon

It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.

To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa

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