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Similitude
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| Posted 12/23/2011 2:33 PM (GMT -6) |   | D: If there is ANY CHANCE AT ALL, then that means that you and your son have the "unearned privilege" of NOT having to wonder whether or not your biological makeup will affect the service of your car.
THAT'S the systemic oppression that I'm talking about...and THAT is how UNWANTED participation in a oppressive society occurs.
J: What you call an "unearned privilege" is a person treating me as they wish to be treated. If they do that for the wrong reason, is that not better than if they didn't do it at all? IOW, D, no one should disapprove of actions that are appropriate despite the motivation that impelled them. What we should do is DISAPPROVE of WRONG actions.
Thus, I'm not participating in oppression in the way you're claiming. I'm just paying for a service and getting it (hopefully!). The oppression is done BY the oppressors. Now, if I used a vendor that I knew was racist in its services even though I knew of alternative vendors that were more ethical, THAT would be participation. But I can't prove that ANY of the vendors I use are racist. If that could be proved, I assure you those discriminated against would be the first to know. And to the extent that they could prove it and were willing to report it, the press would be on that PRECISELY because it's GOOD PRESS -- i.e., it MAKES MONEY!
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Similitude
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| Posted 12/23/2011 2:37 PM (GMT -6) | | | Where nothing is given in some relevant regard (proof of racism, e.g.) NOTHING is required in that regard. We are required to act PRECISELY where we are given the means to act--no more; no less.
If I thought I had the means to determine who would be the lesser of evils in the upcoming presidential election, I would vote accordingly. But I flat don't have that much knowledge/wisdom on that particular matter. Thus, for me to vote in that election is to gamble with the destinies of those the future president will affect. I don't think I have the right to gamble, thus. I can pray, so I will.
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One Love
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| Posted 12/23/2011 2:39 PM (GMT -6) | | Jeff:
What you call an "unearned privilege" is a person treating me as they wish to be treated. If they do that for the wrong reason, is that not better than if they didn't do it at all? IOW, D, no one should disapprove of actions that are appropriate despite the motivation that impelled them. What we should do is DISAPPROVE of WRONG actions.
Thus, I'm not participating in oppression in the way you're claiming. I'm just paying for a service and getting it (hopefully!). The oppression is done BY the oppressors. Now, if I used a vendor that I knew was racist in its services even though I knew of alternative vendors that were more ethical, THAT would be participation. But I can't prove that ANY of the vendors I use are racist. If that could be proved, I assure you those discriminated against would be the first to know. And to the extent that they could prove it and were willing to report it, the press would be on that PRECISELY because it's GOOD PRESS -- i.e., it MAKES MONEY!
Do you see how you are making it "participation" when it deals with KNOWELDGEABLE, WILLING activity with a KNOWN racist situation? That's not an adequate definition, bro. Think COMPLICITY. Complicity is not always knowledgeable, willing, or known...but it's still there.
UNKNOWN complicity in fallen situations is STILL participation.
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One Love
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| Posted 12/23/2011 2:41 PM (GMT -6) | | Jeff:
Now, if I used a vendor that I knew was racist in its services even though I knew of alternative vendors that were more ethical, THAT would be participation. But I can't prove that ANY of the vendors I use are racist. If that could be proved, I assure you those discriminated against would be the first to know.
Hmmm. What happens if we your stated logic here with Ron Paul, given what we've seen about some of his "services" ?
Interesting.
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