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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 11/17/2011 8:05 AM (GMT -6) |   | | Read for yourself.
You'll see what I mean.
It's ironic, too: He's lapsed Jewish.
Expanding on his debut album's theme of ambivalence and conflicted feelings toward fame,[37] Drake's lyrics on Take Care detail failed romances, missed connections,[23] relationship with friends and family,[33] maintaining balance with growing wealth and fame, concerns about leading a hollow life, the passage of young adulthood,[37] and despondency.[28][32] The album's slow jam-styled tracks explore themes of loneliness, heartbreak, and mistrust.[31] The topic of women is prevalant on the album, with songs concerning past and potential lovers ("Marvins Room", "The Real Her"), and about revering ("Make Me Proud") and lavishing them ("We’ll Be Fine").[29] Juan Edgardo Rodriguez of No Ripcord denotes women as "the main force in his songs - he’s consciously aware about what it takes to love them, but simply decides to thrust aside the guidelines because he’s on an entirely different stratosphere from any female average joe."[34]
Music writers have interpreted the album's expositional content with respect to contemporary social climate.[26] Newsday's Glenn Gamboa views that Drake's "emotional self-doubt and realizations about [...] success", along with the album's melancholy mood, "captur[es] today's zeitgeist of uncertainty and diminishing expectations."[38] Music journalist Ann Powers cites Drake's "predicament — the inability to locate oneself within everyday power relations" as "one that's afflicted existential antiheroes throughout modernity."[26] Powers writes that his point of view is that of a "biracial upper middle-class kid [...] from a position of privilege that few rappers would occupy", and views his subject matter as culturally significant, commenting that "his melancholia is that of the overly sated [...] But Drake's relentless focus on the point where money empties out happiness isn't merely autobiographical. It's emblematic of our moment of crashed markets and occupied streets, and it speaks to a generation beginning to question whether the All-American, celebrity-endorsed credit card lifestyle will make them anything but bankrupt."[26] Ryan Dombal of Pitchfork Media compares his "unrepentant navel-gazing and obsession with lost love" to Marvin Gaye's 1978 album Here, My Dear, adding that Drake's "penchant for poetic oversharing" makes him "an apt avatar" for the Information Age.[23]
Drake's songwriting is characterized by wistful introspection,[30] existential contemplation,[33] and minimal boasting,[32] with lyrics that convey frankness,[23] vulnerability, melancholia, and narcissism.[31][39] Music writer Greg Kot comments that Drake does not "indulge in the macho poses that have dominated mainstream hip-hop for decades, and blur[s] the line between singing and rhyming", adding that he "makes his rhymes sound conversational, matter of fact, like he’s talking to the listener one-one-one".[32] Tim Sendra of Allmusic comments that the album's "introspective tone [...] is only rarely punctured by aggressive tracks, boasts, and/or come-ons."[28] Drake's persona on the songs shows traits of sincerity, self-doubt, regret, passive-aggressiveness,[26] and self-absorption.[31][32] Kazeem Famuyide of The Source explains his conflicted persona on the album as being "arrogant enough to know his place as one of the most successful artist in hip-hop, and comfortable enough to realize his own faults in his personal life."[40] Jon Dolan of Rolling Stone writes that Drake "collaps[es] many moods – arrogance, sadness, tenderness and self-pity – into one vast, squish-souled emotion."[25] Kevin Ritchie of NOW notes "an overwhelming sense of alienation, and sadness" on Take Care, calling it "an idiosyncratic, aggressively self-conscious and occasionally sentimental album, one that falls somewhere between languid, finger-snapping R&B and hip-hop braggadocio."[30]
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 11/17/2011 8:08 AM (GMT -6) |   | He's doing it big for 25 years of age. At the same time, Drake is the perfect example of a person searching for eternity in the existential...and having "it all" but finding it inescapably empty. So much so that it can't HELP but to come out in his art...because his art is so egocentrically expressed. He artistically, breathtakingly shows the desolation that is his soul...simply because he is narcissistic, talented, and as he himself says..."doesn't give a fu$@."
And God (or simple authentic self-transcendence) is NO WHERE in dude's thoughts.
You can listen to his music and see that.
The stories Drake tells on this album, even more so than earlier songs, are so rooted in his own experience I don't see how anyone — regardless of this whole subject-object thing — could put themselves in his shoes. We are the people Drake is singing about. We don't have a lot of power here. Which obviously makes it less OK how often dude (and guests) use the word "bitch."
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Drake uses conversational language and rhymes about emotional ambivalence, romantic prevarication and his trust issues. I can't applaud him making a career out of laying those particular cards on the table; doing so hasn't made him treat anyone any better, at least according to him.
But that gets me back to what I was saying before — about the position Drake puts his listeners in when he acts all vulnerable sitting in a penthouse with a publicist right beside him. Despite Take Care's womblike production, I can't identify with Drake – and some of that is because I don't want to. If I did I'd have $25 million and still not be satisfied. I'd be the greatest, but I'd be lonely.
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 11/17/2011 8:19 AM (GMT -6) |   | Drake is also an excellent example of someone trapped in the "biological hypostasis".
Take away... 1) Money/Fame/Success 2) Women 3) Toronto 4) His Mother and Uncle (Toronto roots) 5) 40, October's Very Own, All Things Fresh (his friends) 6) His Father and Memphis, Tennesee (southern roots) 7) Weed and Lean (drugs)
And you have no Drake. Period.
I'm talking every song.
He's an amalgam of the life experiences he's had and his own interpretation of those experiences. The perfect example of a "prosopon" falling into "individuality".
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 11/17/2011 2:34 PM (GMT -6) |   | Merton...
"Every one of us is shadowed by an illusory person: a false self. This is the man I want myself to be but who cannot exist because God does not know anything about him. And to be unknown of God is altogether too much privacy. My false and private self is the one who wants to exist outside the reach of God's will and God's love . . . outside of reality and outside of life. And such a self cannot help but be an illusion. For most people in the world, there is no greater subjective reality than this false self of theirs, which cannot exist. A life devoted to the cult of this shadow is what is called a life of sin." ------------------------------- "All sin starts from the assumption that my false self, the self that exists only in my own egocentric desires, is the fundamental reality to which everything else is ordered. There I use up my life in the desire for pleasures and the thirst for experience, for power, honor, knowledge and love to clothe this false self and construct its nothingness into something objectively real. And I wind experiences around myself and cover myself with pleasures and glory like bandages in order to make myself perceptible to myself and to the world, as if I were an invisible body that could become visible only when something visible covered its surface." -------------------------------- "The image of winding oneself round like a mummy, with whatever one can control, dominate, take to oneself and take glory in, sharpens the irony of our scramble to defy our true selves to emerge. It calls to mind, too, the scathing condemnation Jesus laid upon the 'hypocrites' of His day, who were not what they seemed, buy were full of 'dead men's bones and all uncleanness' (Mt 23:27). Such an indictment is leveled at ourselves as we covet our illusions of grandeur, abuse our gifts and use others, objectifying them like stars in our own constellation, which must revolve in their fixed orbits about the main star, of course—ourselves. 'We become the center and God somehow recedes to an invisible fringe. Others become real to the extent they become significant others to the designs our our own ego. And in this process the all of God dies in us and the sterile nothingness of our desires becomes our God'. The false self, 'since it intuits that it is but a shadow, that it is nothing, begins to convince itself that it is what it does'." -------------------------------------------------------- "Thus the illusory self lives out its lie, abusing its gifts, treating other subjects as objects, conveniently arranged like furnishings in one's room. It finds nothing but bitterness, unhappiness and exhaustion from seeking fulfillment in this profound alienation of the heart from it roots in mystery."
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 12/30/2011 2:20 PM (GMT -6) |   | These are the lyrics to one of the most listened to songs of right now. Seriously.
By Drake...
I might be too strung out on compliments, Overdosed on confidence Started not to give a fu-k, and stop fearing the consequence
Drinking every night, because we drink to my accomplishments Faded way too long, I'm floating in and out of consciousness
And they saying I'm back, I agree with that I just take my time with all this sh-t, I still believe in that
I had someone tell me I fell off, ooh I needed that And they want to see me pick back up, well, where'd I leave it at
I know I exaggerated things now I got it like that Tuck my napkin in my shirt, cause I'm just mobbin like that You know good and well that you don't want a problem like that You gone make someone around me catch a body like that
No, don't do it, please don't do it Cause one of us goes in, then we all go through it Drizzy got the money, so Drizzy gone pay Those my brothers I ain't even gotta say it That's just something they know
[Chorus] They know, they know, they know They know, they know, they know They know, they know, they know Yeah, they know, yeah That the real is on the rise, fu-- them other guys I even gave them a chance to decide, now it's something they know They know, they know, they know
[Verse 2] Yeah, I be yelling out money over everything, money on my mind Then she want to ask when it got so empty Tell her I apologize, it happened over time She says they miss the old Drake, girl don't tempt me
If they don't get it, they'll be over you That new shit that you got is overdue You better do what you supposed to do I'm like why I got to be all that but still I can't deny the fact That it's true, listening to you expressing all them feelings Soap opera rappers, all these niggas sound like All My Children And that's who you thinking is 'bout to come and make a killing I guess it really is just me, myself, and all my millions You know that they ain't even got it like that You gonna hype me up and make me touch a body like that Cause I live for this, it isn't just a hobby like that When they get my sh&t and play it, I ain't even got to say it, they know
[Chorus] They know, they know, they know They know, they know, they know They know, they know, they know Yeah, they know, yeah That the real is on the rise, fu-- them other guys I even gave them a chance to decide, now it's something they know They know, they know, they know
[Verse 3] I be yelling out money over everything, money on my mind (Mind, mind, mind) Tell them I apologize, It happened over time (Time, time, time, time) They know
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 12/30/2011 2:24 PM (GMT -6) |   | Lyrics for "Crew Love"
Smoking weed under star projectors I guess we'll never know what Harvard gets us But seeing my family have it all Took the place of that desire for diplomas on the wall
And really, I think I like who I'm becoming There's times where I might do it just to do it like it's nothing There's times when I might blow like 50k on a vacation For all my soldiers just to see the looks on all they faces, all it took was patience
I got a lotta friends to come up off the strip for me The same ones that'll come up off the hip for me The realest niggas say your lyrics do sh*t for me I told my story, then made history
Tell them I'mma need reservations for 20 I've never really been one for the preservation of money, nah Much rather spend it all while I'm breathing That OVO and that XO is everything you believe in, I know
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 12/30/2011 2:30 PM (GMT -6) |   | | I mean think about it. How would you like to essentially "bare your soul" artistically...and nothing but self-absorbed, culture-reflective nothingness and meloncholia come out? Wow...
Drake's songwriting is characterized by wistful introspection, existential contemplation, and minimal boasting, with lyrics that convey frankness, vulnerability, melancholia, and narcissism. Andy Gill of The Independent writes that he "eschews anger or threat for a weariness shadowed by wistful regret." Music journalist Greg Kot comments that Drake does not "indulge in the macho poses that have dominated mainstream hip-hop for decades, and blurs the line between singing and rhyming", adding that he "makes his rhymes sound conversational, matter of fact, like he’s talking to the listener one-one-one". Tim Sendra of Allmusic notes that his "introspective tone [...] is only rarely punctured by aggressive tracks, boasts, and/or come-ons." Drake's persona on songs shows traits of sincerity, self-doubt, regret, passive-aggressiveness, and self-absorption. Kazeem Famuyide of The Source explains his conflicted persona as being "arrogant enough to know his place as one of the most successful artist in hip-hop, and comfortable enough to realize his own faults in his personal life."Jon Dolan of Rolling Stone writes that Drake "collaps[es] many moods – arrogance, sadness, tenderness and self-pity – into one vast, squish-souled emotion." Kevin Ritchie of NOW notes "an overwhelming sense of alienation, and sadness" on Take Care, calling it "an idiosyncratic, aggressively self-conscious and occasionally sentimental album".
But that's what's so sad. The reason that Drake is so successful is because he is so REPRESENTATIVE of the empty persepctive of a lot of Western young adults. They "get" him even when he's being his most self -absorbed...and he knows that.
Drake's "The Ride"
You won’t feel me until everybody Say they love you, but it’s not love And your suit is oxblood And the girl you fu--ing hates you And your friends faded off shots of What you ordered Then forget about the game that you on top of Your famous girlfriend's ass getting Thicker than the plot does And when you forget it, that's when she pop up And you got a drop but you ride around with the top up Or three SUVs for niggas dressed like refugees And deal with the questions about all your excessive needs And you do dinners at French Laundry in Napa Valley Scallops and glasses of Dolce That sh-t's right up your alley You see a girl and you ask about her Bi--hes smiling at you, it must be happy hour They put the cloth across your lap soon as you sat down It’s feeling like you own every place you choose to be at now Walking through airport security with your hat down Intead of getting a pat down, they just keep on Saying that they feel you, nigga
[Hook: The Weeknd] I’ve been faded too long
[Verse 2] You won't feel me til you want it So bad you tell yourself you’re in it And tell the world around you That your paperwork is finished And steal your mother's debit cards So you maintain an image And ride around in overpriced Rental cars that ain't tinted You need a minute? You got it You know its real when your Latest nights are your greatest nights The sun is up when you get home, that's just a way of life Apartment 1503: some couches and paintings When you record with 2 others that want the same things It start to feel better than home feels And so you up there every night, you swear you getting close That champagne money was for gas and phone bills But sh-t, you bout to spend it on what matters most You drop a couple songs in hopes that you could beat a nigga And come out every night to let the city see they nigga Telling stories that nobody relate to And even though they hate you They just keep on telling you they feel you, nigga
[Hook]
[Verse 3] I haven't been inside Terminal 1 and 3 in so long I’m driving right up to it now Make sure you got your coat on That runway can be cold especially after summer's rolled on And all you knew is alcohol and city lights and slow songs For four months out the year, it's got you asking whats good at home What's good at home? The same hoes are still at it, I shoulda known My young niggas popping M’s and sipping dirty jones Problem children that all be repping October's Own Brand new girl and she still growing Brand new titties, stitches still showing Yeah, and she just praying that it heals good I’m bout to fu-- and I’m just praying that it feels good I really don’t know much but, sh-t, I know a secret They say more money more problems, my nigga don’t believe it I mean, sure, there’s some bills and taxes I’m still evading But I blew six million on myself and I feel amazing Young money maker, season ticketholder Season switching over I come through them bit-hes Still scorching as if I didn’t notice You niggas getting older, I see no threat in Yoda I’m out here messing over the lives of these niggas That couldn’t fu-k with my freshman floater (flow ta) Look at that fu--ing chip on your nephew's shoulder My sophomore, they was all for it, they all saw it My juniors and senior will only get meaner Take care, nigga
[Hook]
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 12/30/2011 3:06 PM (GMT -6) |   | | "Thus the illusory self lives out its lie, abusing its gifts, treating other subjects as objects, conveniently arranged like furnishings in one's room. It finds nothing but bitterness, unhappiness and exhaustion from seeking fulfillment in this profound alienation of the heart from it roots in mystery."
--Thomas Merton
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Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 2763 | Posted 12/30/2011 3:07 PM (GMT -6) |   | Hey D...looking at some of Drakes stuff that you posted, its plain and obvious that he's narcisstic. Now, yesterday I was reading some comments on a facebook page that some Christians were making. The topic was sex and how THEY felt about Christian attitudes and evangelical Christian culture's solution to premarital sex. One comment actually said this:
"And I'm sorry, but I read XXXX's "I've gained much victory over that temptation with time as I've grown over the years in my faith" as "I've managed, with practice, to repress the parts of my natural psychology and physiology that are deemed unacceptable by the religion I follow." This is my BIGGEST problem with Christianity...the way it sets up the human, the natural, AGAINST the divine. It creates a battle that is unnecessary and harmful. It corrupts the beauty of the wholeness of life with the ultimatum to cut oneself to pieces, then to set those pieces against each other and have them fight to the death. See, no matter which side wins ("spirit" or "flesh") you have killed a part of yourself in the process. It is awful."
I guess the question I have has to do with this "repression." I really don't know if someone who wants to participate in the Divine life of God can really get away without some level of "repression" and not being "true to themselves." Do you know what I'm saying? I'm not saying, "repression for repression's sake" but if any of the conversations that we've had over the years about the solidification towards evil and good and the more "yes" we say to these decisions (again, for good or evil), some repression has to count for something right? In one sense I agree with the above quote because evangelicalism will set up "false parameters" that they deem acceptable and non-acceptable. But there is something to say, the practice of fasting in which we "deny ourselves" through certain habits because they seem to be part and parcel of our false self. Is my question making sense?
Brandon
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 12/30/2011 3:14 PM (GMT -6) |   | | Yes. Well...I don't know if REPRESSION is good. But SUBLIMATION--via living the Spirit-death-life--is good.
In psychology, sublimation is a mature type of defence mechanism where socially unacceptable impulses or idealizations are consciously transformed into socially acceptable actions or behaviour, possibly converting the initial impulse in the long term. According to Wade and Tavris, sublimation is when displacement "serves a higher cultural or socially useful purpose, as in the creation of art or inventions.
As a matter of fact, many of the mystical traditions talks about transmuting sexual energy into creative, unifying energy in one's knowledge of the divine. Basically we are talking about the intensifying of merely human "eros" into the divine/human "eros"
Defense mechanisms
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 12/30/2011 3:22 PM (GMT -6) |   | Here's a question:
Given what we've talked about on this board with respect to fully actualizing one's own personhood...
...is Aubrey Drake Graham doing that?
Is he a "person" or merely an "individual"? I'd say the latter.
"What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul?"
Yeah...
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 12/30/2011 3:27 PM (GMT -6) |   | Hmmm...thinking more about the quote...
"And I'm sorry, but I read XXXX's "I've gained much victory over that temptation with time as I've grown over the years in my faith" as "I've managed, with practice, to repress the parts of my natural psychology and physiology that are deemed unacceptable by the religion I follow." This is my BIGGEST problem with Christianity...the way it sets up the human, the natural, AGAINST the divine. It creates a battle that is unnecessary and harmful. It corrupts the beauty of the wholeness of life with the ultimatum to cut oneself to pieces, then to set those pieces against each other and have them fight to the death. See, no matter which side wins ("spirit" or "flesh" ) you have killed a part of yourself in the process. It is awful."
1) One would have to fundamentally misunderstand the INCARNATION (and the nature of humanity itself) to say this, it would seem to me.
2) The battle of faith is NOT to set the human AGAINST the Divine...but to make the human TRANSPARENT to the Divine, per it's logos.
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Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 2763 | Posted 12/30/2011 3:37 PM (GMT -6) |   | | Well, I think he is an individual given everything he is singing and rapping about. I remember in my teenage years people who were by-products of the 60's sexual revolution become intensely upset with Christianity and Christians because they thought it was basically a religion of repression. But I've come to see it more in terms of sublimation over time. That is, it seems to be the difference between burying impulses and normalizing them and refocusing them towards the Good. I'm using sexual impulses as an example, but this could pretty much go for just about anything, ie., food. This is why I feel sorry for folk like Drake, because as he describes it, "When did he fall off?" and "When did it get so empty?" Check out the death section of this guy:
Brandon
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 12/30/2011 3:49 PM (GMT -6) |   | Brandon: What do you mean EXACTLY when you say, "...make the human TRANSPARENT to the Divine." To see ourselves in Truth as God sees us?
Yes, Brandon. Simply, humanity truly acts theophanically and eucharistically; Via the Holy Spirit, humanity sees itself from God's perspective. Humanity is INCOMPLETE without experienced direct reception of existence from the Uncreated Spirit. That sense of utter dependence that you were talking about earlier.
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 12/30/2011 3:59 PM (GMT -6) |   | It's it's essence:
It's about associating the "brute fact" of our rational, emotional, and volitive experience with loving, benelovence supporting that very experience...and the natural response to the "giftedness" of our very being. Humanity is incomplete to the extent it doesn't have it's "world compositions" grounded in that immanent, unifying, yet transcendent, incommunicable experience.
Speaking biblically, humanity is incomplete without continuously "breathing" the Creator Spirit of God.
Kinda what Denys Turner was talking about in that Atheism Tapes video Tom posted elsewhere.
Does this make sense?
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 12/30/2011 4:09 PM (GMT -6) |   | Part of Drake's problem I think...is that he basically doesn't believe in God. His particular stance is Y.O.L.O. (The Motto)...
Now she want a photo, you already know, though "You Only Live Once": that's the motto nigga, YOLO And we bout it every day, every day, every day Like we sittin on the bench, nigga, we don't really play Every day, every day, fu-k what anybody say Can't seem 'em cause the money in the way, real nigga, what's up?
He'd rather "spend it all while he's breathin", right? Cause he doesn't KNOW if there's an afterlife. I've heard Birdman say exactly the same thing.
Basically, it's a over-materialism/consumerism ala ghetto nihilism. I've seen this with Cash Money ever since 1999. Baby (Birdman) Williams has always talked about living in excess because you don't know how long your gonna live.
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 12/30/2011 4:12 PM (GMT -6) |   | That's what so crazy.
Lil Wayne (and Cash Money Records) actually ORIGINATED the term "bling" in the song "Bling, Bling" in 1999.
It's ACTUALLY in the dictionary now because it's been used so much.
Our culture is crazy.
But what I'm saying is this: anyone who knew Birdman, Lil Wayne and Cash Money would KNOW that they exalt money over EVERYTHING (Exactly what Drake quotes). So when Drake ends up placing money over all relationships...it shouldn't be a major stretch to see how that could happen.
Money on my mind Money on my mind Money on my mind Money money on my mind Money on my mind Money on my mind Money money on my mind So money is all I think of
--Lil Wayne
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 12/30/2011 4:21 PM (GMT -6) |   | | www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICUHk5XN64c
To be honest, I can understand that over-materialism/consumerism ala ghetto nihilism perspective. When I was in college and an agnostic (around 1993-1994), it was "money, hoes, and clothes...all a nigga knows."
Jesus broke me OUT of that.
Thank you for saving me, Jesus!
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Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 12/30/2011 5:06 PM (GMT -6) |   | From here...
"The inactivity of the noetic faculty (not logic) is the essence of man's fall. The non-function, or limited function of the mental power, and its confusion with the function of the brain or the body, enslaves man in stress and the environment and materialism, focusing his care at his body. In this way, man "worships the creation, rather than the Creator" and the immediate consequence is the dismantling of the authenticity in his relations, the individualization, antisocial attitudes, self deification - idolization of himself. The use of God and fellow people for securing personal safety and happiness.
After healing the illness of the heart, man returns to the true sociability. The clear heart receives the enlightment of the Holy Spirit. At this stage, the self-centered man's love becomes self-forgetfull love from God. Without the enlightment from God, our love cannot surpass our self-centered attitude, our imperfection. It remains imperfect and false. Through the enlightment, man becomes temple of the Holy Spirit, true and spiritual."
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