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Similitude
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   Posted 1/5/2012 11:50 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
 
How plausible is it that Iran would risk it's own destruction by launching a nuclear weapon or handing one off that would likely be "traced" back to it?
 
 
Hamilton, from Federalist #69:

“The President is to be commander-in-chief of the army and navy of the United States. In this respect his authority would be nominally the same with that of the king of Great Britain, but in substance much inferior to it. It would amount to nothing more than the supreme command and direction of the military and naval forces, as first General and admiral of the Confederacy; while that of the British king extends to the declaring of war and to the raising and regulating of fleets and armies — all which, by the Constitution under consideration, would appertain to the legislature.”


 

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Tom
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   Posted 1/6/2012 10:47 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Not plausible at all IF those making the choice are rational and not beholden to the reigning Shi'ite eschatology of Ahmadenijad's policies.

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Similitude
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   Posted 1/6/2012 11:47 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well, one doesn't have to be rational to fear death. Here's why I think our current approach is contrary to just war theory. First, it violates one of the criteria--that war be initiated by the appropriate authority. As Hamilton, who was in the constitutional convention, admitted, that authority is Congress. The very reason why Hamilton said that was decided is because "executives" were basically too "swift to shed blood," and for illegitimate motives. Now think about that. Bush came out with the most radical of braggidocious hyperbole saying "if you're not with us your for us." And the minute Al-Queda went across the Pakistan border, he let them get away--EVEN though Pakistan was supposedly our ally. Then years later Obama has Osama killed IN Pakistan.
 
IOW, those who usurp (and therefore perjure themselves ON A BIBLE!) are the last ones to TRUST in how they will carry out the war. They end up waging war being constrained by too many political considerations that have nothing to do with the long-term good of the human race. Consequently, they end up violating several criteria of just war theory.
 
Ron Paul has the constitutional approach. He says IF congress declares a war he would WIN it. He would CROSS the Pakistanian border the FIRST time. This has other values. It lets other nations know that the real impetus will come from the congress, not him. This in turn means that the real impetus for war will come from the people, whose perceptions will be molded by the press. Those people, TOO, are SWIFT to shed blood. This lets other nations know rather PRECISELY where the risk is. No politics. No bluff. All the rules are ON THE TABLE.
 
I don't think the president of Iran wants to die. I don't think he fears Allah. I think he is self-interested TO THE BONE. But Ron Paul is right. They look at Libya and see how our government EXPLOITS (or at least superficially APPEAR to) opportunities for regime change. This is what gives the self-interested dictators the motivation to act defensively PREEMPTIVELY by getting weapons. They're literally FORCED to make a calculated risk because of the constant incoherence and BLUFF of our foreign policy approach.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/01/ron-paul-vindicated-on-iran-unfortunately/250955/?id=4031


 

Post Edited (Similitude) : 1/6/2012 11:42:08 AM (GMT-6)

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