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|  borg Registered Member
 Date Joined Apr 2003 Total Posts : 324 | Posted 2/24/2004 12:02 PM (GMT -6) |   | Tom thank you for your posts. Am I struggling? Had you asked me three weeks ago what I thought about this movie, I would have embraced it just like any other Christian, until a friend of mine in passing conversation asked if it were making an idol out of Christ. I didn't hesitate said, "No" and since then, my answer has been plaguing my mind. The 2nd commandment clearly states not to make ANY graven images. I went to a reformed forum to find answers, thinking they wouldn't be condemning it, and the majority of them are. Their arguments are much more persuasive and Biblically backed then anything you have to offer me with your non-sense arguments. I refuse to back a movie that goes against my conscience in this way, and as far as I see goes against scripture. But I have been trying to resolve this in my mind and bring my conscience to a place were I can watch this movie and not feel convicted. I've talked to numerous amounts of friends and family, i talked to John Piper about the issue, and yet my conscience has not been able to settle the arguments against it. And I would like to thank you, because your "informative" (i.e. ridiculous) arguments have helped me greatly... or not. Do I believe people can watch this movie and end up on their knees? Nothing is impossible for the Holy Ghost. What I fear though are the people who are going into this movie with the mind-set of, "I can't wait for it to change my life," "I know this is going to put me back on track with God," "I know that this movie is going to change my life." When was the last time they said this about the Bible!? Have we lost all connection with the Word of God, and lost sight of it's power that we have to revert to a movie made by a fallible sinner to "get us back on track"? It's things like this that bother me most, and because of this, the movie is on slippery ground! We cannot "expect" this movie to aide us in the worship of God, we cannot build off of it as another appeal to the emotions that are killing our church. Our faith and relationship with Christ Jesus are NOT built off of how we feel, how emotional we are, or how sensitive we are to watching some actor get crucified on the cross. Our emotions don't make us better Christians, and it is an illusion that many are living in, I know because I was once there. The emotional aspect of this movie has the potential to damn people for eternity because they come out crying believing that they have been touched by the Power of God. But if their crying or emotions don't lead to true repentence then all it's doing is hardening them and damning them all the more, and not bringing them any closer to Jesus, and i fear many will leave without having their hearts changed but believing them to be, which cannot happen unless the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit picks them up and regenerates them Himself. We as Christians need to tell people this, we as Christians need to make sure that people aren't walking blindly into a sea of illusion in which hope begins to be lost. This movie could do good, and likewise, it has potential for flakey evangelicals to do the whole "feel good" and your saved ministry. Can the Holy Spirit use this to transform lives? YES. is it the best way to go about it? I don't think so. But I hope that all are on their knees praying to Lord Jesus to come in a sweep these people away from the comforts of their lives, away from the need for emotions and grant them true repentence, lest it hardens their hearts all the more. And I pray that as people go about their lives a year from now they don't believe they are saved because they wept bitterly at some movie and yet did not have a change of heart. a fish net ministry is not the most effective, lets be thankful that God does as He pleases, with who He pleases. This movie will not bring about a changed heart, only the work of God will and we need to be more hyped up about following up, sharing the Gospel truth, and letting these people know that what they saw came at no "cheap" expense and the life of a Christian isn't a walk in the breeze. That's why I'm most bothered, that's why I fear an idol may be made of this movie, that's why i struggle with the "indirect" worship that may result in this. To God Alone Be the Glory, Borg "So it is a more glorious work of power to uphold a soul in a state of grace and holiness, and to carry it on till it is brought to glory, when there is so much sin remaining in the heart resisting, and Satan with all his might opposing, than it would have been to have kept manfrom falling at first, when Satan had nothing in man." Edwards | | Back to Top | | |
 |  borg Registered Member
 Date Joined Apr 2003 Total Posts : 324 | Posted 2/24/2004 12:08 PM (GMT -6) |   | Selah i go to bethel do you?
Tigress yes I'm a sophomore at Bethel College. Thanks for the post and I agree that the Spirit can use creative means to draw His children closer to Him. But I fear people are going into this movie with presuppositions and as i pointed out in my post to Tom, some of that scares me. And I figure that when I feel lost and abondoned by God, or that I've hit a plateua in my relationship with Him, it's because I have failed to seek His glory and His glory can only fully be revealed through prayer and the Word. To the one's whose faith isn't becoming real, the first step is to pray and read the Word, for it is them that the richness of life dwells, not some movie. But I gotta run to dinner. Blessings, Borg p.s. i am a treky (TNG) but my last name is Borg as well, weird huh? "So it is a more glorious work of power to uphold a soul in a state of grace and holiness, and to carry it on till it is brought to glory, when there is so much sin remaining in the heart resisting, and Satan with all his might opposing, than it would have been to have kept manfrom falling at first, when Satan had nothing in man." Edwards | | Back to Top | | |
 |  quest for truth Registered Member
 Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 479 | Posted 2/24/2004 12:09 PM (GMT -6) |   | quote: borg: But I do have a tough time saying that this movie is inspired like the Gospels were inspired.
Tom: I would have more than a tough time agreeing that any movie or book is inspired "like" the Gospels are inspired. That's not the issue.
Quest: I absolutely respect your position on this.
Tom: What do you respect about it? I'd really like to know.
Quest: I am sorry for correlating the movie with the bible...
Tom: If you suggested that Gibson is as inspired as was Matthew or Luke, then be sorry. But there's no apology to be made for drawing a "correlation" between the movie and the Bible. THe correlation can't be denied. The movie is based on and about the gospel story. How can you make a movie based on the passion of Jesus in the gospels and NOT "correlate" the movie TO the gospels?
Are we awake?
Quest: Please NO ONE worship any movie, book, idol! Worship ONLY Christ.
Tom: Don't worry Quest. Nobody is gonna worship the film. For crying out loud. Let's get real!
Quest: If you get touched by getting a glimpse of what Christ's death must have been like then after the movie spend time on your knees weeping to Christ with a thankful heart for what he did for YOU.
Tom: I'd like to hear borg tell us if he agrees that what you're describing, Quest, is even possible. Does he agree that a person can watch this movie and end up on her knees worshiping God?
Borg?
Tom
Tom, what's your problem? I can only speak for myself in that I am awake. In my opinion you are coming off very rude to me! What's your issue? I was attempting to enter into Borg's world and I was attempting to understand this from his point of view (walk a mile in another's shoes) Cool down man! I would apologize if I said any piece of literature or form of art was comparable with the authors who were inspired and wrote the bible.
As far as worshipping the film... I made that statement because that seemed to be Borg's original issue.
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 |  Wahoo Registered Member
 Date Joined Jan 2004 Total Posts : 142 | Posted 2/24/2004 5:37 PM (GMT -6) |   | Passion opens in a couple hours and then we can all be better informed to the appropriateness or idolatry of the film.
Deuteronomy 6:5-9 "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. These words, which I am commanding you today, shall be on your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your sons and shall talk of them when you sit in your house and when you walk by the way and when you lie down and when you rise up. You shall bind them as a sign on your hand and they shall be as frontals on your forehead. You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates."
God commanded the men of Isreal to teach the commandments with "signs" that would be effective and "write" them. I believe that in the light (or darkness) of what goes on in Hollywood these days, could it be that God could use an industry steeped in greed and imorality to reveal His plan for reconciliation.
What is the criteria for idols? When does an image become worshipped?
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 |  Wahoo Registered Member
 Date Joined Jan 2004 Total Posts : 142 | Posted 2/24/2004 5:47 PM (GMT -6) |   | I didn't realize this discussion was three pages long already. I have alot to catch up with...but...I want to add that interviews with Mel Gibson show an awarenes of spiritual warfare and that there are "things" that don't want the message of this film to be seen. Therefore all the contraversy and difficulty getting a distributor.
If anyone sees the Midnight showing of this, it couldn't be soon enough to hear how the film is. I hope I can see it tomorrow.
AND, I would like to just point out that there is another discussion thread on the TEARING DOWN THE WALLS forum. Check it out!
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 |  feelinahole Registered Member
 Date Joined Jan 2004 Total Posts : 754 | Posted 2/24/2004 6:28 PM (GMT -6) |   | To be quite honest, I do not believe my response hurtful. It is simply an truthful response. For the life of me, I cannot understand how anyone could ask why a Christian should (or would want to) see that film. Cmon! Pick up the book with scenes from the movie. Is there nothing in there, nothing at all that a person of spiritually cannot use to draw closer to God? Is God really this narrow?! Can God not reveal himself in any way he chooses? And use what he wants to use? Is God truly so confined by what we believe he can do, or is he who he says he is? Frankly, I find such an attitude an affront to freedom of God. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  borg Registered Member
 Date Joined Apr 2003 Total Posts : 324 | Posted 2/24/2004 6:58 PM (GMT -6) |   | "To compel people to become aware and judge is namely the law for true martyrdom. A true martyr has never used power but has contended by means of powerlessness. He compelled people to become aware. Indeed, God knows, they did become aware- they put him to death. Yet he was willing to have that happen. He did not think that his death halted him in his work; he understood that his death was part of it- that the momentum of his owrk began precisely with his death. Truly, those who had put him to death did indeed become aware; they began to think once again about the cause and in quite another way, and what the one living was not able to do the one dead was able to do: he won to his cause those who had become aware. "The objection I have repeatedly made privately against those who ordinarily proclaim Christianity in Christendom is that they, themselves surrounded and safeguarded by all too many illusions, do not have the courage to make people aware. That is, they do not have sufficient self-denial in relation to their cause. They are too eager to win adherents, but they want to win them-because this strengthens their cause- and therefore are not scrupulously careful about whether they in truth become adherents or not. This in turn means that in a deeper sense they have no cause; they relate themselves selfishly to the cause they do have. Therefore they do not actually risk going out among the people or abondoning illusions in order to make a genuine idea-impression, because they have a dim notion that it is truly a dangerous matter to make people aware. Mendaciously to make them aware, that is, to bow and scrape before them, to flatter them, to ask for their attention and lenient judgment, to submit- the truth- to balloting, well, this involves every advantage; but yet it perhaps does involve the danger of eventually failing in eternity." -Soren Kierkegaard
"So it is a more glorious work of power to uphold a soul in a state of grace and holiness, and to carry it on till it is brought to glory, when there is so much sin remaining in the heart resisting, and Satan with all his might opposing, than it would have been to have kept manfrom falling at first, when Satan had nothing in man." Edwards | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Wahoo Registered Member
 Date Joined Jan 2004 Total Posts : 142 | Posted 2/24/2004 7:00 PM (GMT -6) |   | Borg, You are a champion for standing in your convictions and giving a reasoned defense. There were some pot shots but I don't think you should disregard FEELINAHOLE. Some people just like to be funny, others are just passionate about what they believe. Dis the ones who don't have anything else to say.
I need some clarification though... You said you are a cessationist. I am new to this site and I have an idea of what that means. You said you believe the Holy Sprit didn't tell Mel to make the movie. But later you said that you believed nothing is impossible for the Holy Spirit, perhaps not even using this movie to save some. And again you said you were thankful (maybe even hopeful) that God does as he pleases, with whome He pleases. Why can't this sentiment support the possible potential of this film in prayer?
I know you didn't want to get into the cessationist views but would you do me a favor and enlighten me?
Regarding your commentary on emotions and conversion... I agree with some of your argument but I wonder if you were hurt or angered by some phonies. I love my emotions and my testimony has so much to do with the healing of my emotions.
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 |  borg Registered Member
 Date Joined Apr 2003 Total Posts : 324 | Posted 2/24/2004 7:08 PM (GMT -6) |   | I don't necesarily believe that the Spiritual gifts are in use today. Though I'm not 100% cessetionist, I am almost one, i think the gifts happen very rarely and even rarer in the US. Nothin is impossible for the Holy Spirit. I do think He will choose to save some through this film, but I am not a fan of the fish net evangelism where you throw out a net and catch as many as you can. But I do believe that the Holy Spirit will save those whom He wants, just like He uses the "sinners prayer" but this movie adds to the hardness of many others hearts, and I believe it has the great potential to destroy much of Christ's glory on the cross. And I am praying for this movie and everyone that comes into contact with it, that they will see it's not truth, that they will see it's just an analogy and nothing more, but the true promises are held within God's word. The only phony i got hurt by was myself, and I would pray that no other person lives in such a disastorous illusion as I did for much of my teen years. "Therefore it is not of him who wills nor runs BUT of God who shows mercy" Rom 9. I'm still working at getting an appropriate mix of emotions in my "Religious Affections" but it's a battle. Does that help?> Blessings, Borg "So it is a more glorious work of power to uphold a soul in a state of grace and holiness, and to carry it on till it is brought to glory, when there is so much sin remaining in the heart resisting, and Satan with all his might opposing, than it would have been to have kept manfrom falling at first, when Satan had nothing in man." Edwards | | Back to Top | | |
 |  Wahoo Registered Member
 Date Joined Jan 2004 Total Posts : 142 | Posted 2/24/2004 7:15 PM (GMT -6) |   | From "Who wants to see The Passion? Why?" thread:
Originally posted on 1/27/2004
I hope that the controversy around this film, specifically from Jewish interests, will bring a greater interest in the film from the Muslim world. This film is in the crosshairs of where Christians, Muslims and Jews part ways.
Doubtless there will be lengthy debates once the film has been released. Christians and Jews will have the spotlight on that. However, Christians, Jews and Muslims will all be watching this debate having considered the cross.
If you have friends who you know should see this film pray for them. I am interested to hear of any responses, especially from the Muslim community. I wonder if there are any of you who are Muslims who are planning on seeing this film.
Originally posted on 1/28/2004
I understand "jihad" is to most Muslims, a personal struggle. Christians think of it as "taking up you cross," denying your flesh," and more literally in spiritual warfare.
I also understand that the crucifixion of Isa (Jesus) is not accepted by Islam. There is however, some sentiment for martyrdom in Islam. The highest form of jihad is the personal struggle. Is it possible that Allah would desire to make jihad on behalf of mankind? Is it possible to understand the death AND resurrection of Isa as his jihad.
The Passion should be a film that will show God's love and mercy. I hope millions will see it who have never understood how an almighty God can love them.
Shalom!
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 |  Truth Aficionado Registered Member

Date Joined Dec 2003 Total Posts : 1544 | Posted 2/24/2004 7:28 PM (GMT -6) |   | quote: Originally posted by borg "To compel people to become aware and judge is namely the law for true martyrdom. A true martyr has never used power but has contended by means of powerlessness. He compelled people to become aware. Indeed, God knows, they did become aware- they put him to death. Yet he was willing to have that happen. He did not think that his death halted him in his work; he understood that his death was part of it- that the momentum of his owrk began precisely with his death. Truly, those who had put him to death did indeed become aware; they began to think once again about the cause and in quite another way, and what the one living was not able to do the one dead was able to do: he won to his cause those who had become aware. "The objection I have repeatedly made privately against those who ordinarily proclaim Christianity in Christendom is that they, themselves surrounded and safeguarded by all too many illusions, do not have the courage to make people aware. That is, they do not have sufficient self-denial in relation to their cause. They are too eager to win adherents, but they want to win them-because this strengthens their cause- and therefore are not scrupulously careful about whether they in truth become adherents or not. This in turn means that in a deeper sense they have no cause; they relate themselves selfishly to the cause they do have. Therefore they do not actually risk going out among the people or abondoning illusions in order to make a genuine idea-impression, because they have a dim notion that it is truly a dangerous matter to make people aware. Mendaciously to make them aware, that is, to bow and scrape before them, to flatter them, to ask for their attention and lenient judgment, to submit- the truth- to balloting, well, this involves every advantage; but yet it perhaps does involve the danger of eventually failing in eternity." -Soren Kierkegaard
Hello Borg, once again I apologize for joking around at your expense. I read up a little on Soren Kierkegaard at this site: http://www.tameri.com/csw/exist/kierk.asp What do you think of the profile they draw of Soren and his family? Peace and God Bless U
LFW: 1. God makes the choice for all people. Those not selected for eternal life have grounds for complaint. 2. God invites all but only some respond. Those who don't respond don't have any grounds for complaint, they got what they wanted. - Albert Einstein, 2004 | | Back to Top | | |
  |  Clay Registered Member
 Date Joined Dec 2003 Total Posts : 8 | Posted 2/24/2004 8:35 PM (GMT -6) |   | blimey! what a ride...i guess this is a hot topic...i like the kierkegaard references though...though i think kierkegaard would embrace a film (such as the passion) as something that an appeal to the aesthetic but also is able to be "taken up" into both the ethical and religious...isn't it those who are caught into the aesthetic whom we are trying to save?
however, i do agree totally that Christ is the only true and exact representation of God, hebrews 1 make that quite clear. but hebrews 1 also says that God "spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways." i don't think any would claim that Christ was the "many ways" and the "in the prophets". the only reason that what they had to say had any bearing was that it was yet the Word of God. Christ the revealed Word, is not contained my words on a page. that's how the Word (Christ) existed in the beginning with God, because the Word is God. Christ is God. as we (humans) attempt to understand the incarnation (what kierkegaard deems the ultimate paradox, and i tend to agree with him) we must rely on human conventions to even conceptualize God and Christ. though i don't think that necessarily means that we shouldn't try to understand God (and i don't think you'd say that either). i guess my point is that the words in the scripture are the Words of God because they contain Christ. when i attempt (feebly) to explain to an unbeliever what Christ is all about, it is not my words which are central to the meaning, my words are imperfect. though they are also living and active in as much as they represent Christ.
does this movie do that? i dunno. it might, it might not. it is certainly concievable that it will do nothing but encourage idolatry. i don't think it probable, but it is possible. i think i would say though that if even one person is brought to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, then it was all worth it. mel's 25-odd-million dollars are nothing compared to the value of an eternal soul. maybe it won't "make" any new christians but will give pause to those who thought themselves saved. maybe the only person it affects in the slightest is mel himself. maybe it's just a human attempt to share what they believe to be the greatest story ever told.
i'm not sure, i haven't seen it yet. judge for yourself. or maybe we'll just ask Jesus Himself what He thought when we get home...
till then...
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   |  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 2/25/2004 3:47 AM (GMT -6) |   | This is mostly a repost. But I felt this way again...soooo..
Ok. Rant time.
This whole thing blows.
Why? Two reasons.
1) The sheer horror should NOT be in the fact that Jesus (God) was crucified, but in the fact that HUMAN BEINGS could do such things to one another!!! Why do we act like Jesus was the ONLY PERSON to be given death in such a cruel, horrific manner. There were MANY people who died like this! HUNDREDS! Some, no doubt, innocent as well. Why the big friggin deal about JESUS being one of them??
People will leave this movie more thinking about poor, poor Jesus than the all-too-PRESENT human sin that made a thing like crucifixion arise in the first place! If I went to this movie, I'd probably cry for the same reason I shed some tears at Saving Private Ryan, the Killing Fields, or anything like that: the rank inhumanity the still goes on in much of the world!
2) This completely devalues the INCARNATION. By and large, the Incarnation is a LOT MORE existentially wrenching of an idea than any earthly punishment. TRY to imagine going from complete unity, love, and life in a blissful, unimaginably intimate and intense environment of love…to a cold, noisy, painful, separated, disorienting existence. AND THAT’S JUST BIRTH!!!! Qualitatively speaking, Jesus being incarnated into a FALLEN universe would be the MORE than an equivalent of us being sent to Hell! After experiencing intimate life with God on that level, anything less would BE hell! Forget crucifixion. Even if Jesus would have come to earth and was born into the house of CAESAR and lived his entire life in veritable luxury, it still would have been problematic. A holy God living AMONGST a sin-filled, pain-ridden world?? Think about it.
The whole thing just blows, but let God use it as God wills.
My two cents.
 "I've been converted three times. The first was to traditional Christianity; the second to honesty and the third was to the Love of God and man (humanity) The third was the real conversion. The first two were preliminary."
--Nels Ferre, a theologian speaking of his spiritual journey with the Triune God
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  |  Starkman Registered Member

Date Joined Oct 2001 Total Posts : 1747 | Posted 2/25/2004 4:56 AM (GMT -6) |   | Couldn't agree more, Meph.
Quite frankly, I think the movie creates a backfire against the real message of the gospel. People seeing the movie, particularly after hearing Mel's universal gospel theology in his interviews and comments about the movie, will think "Gee, wasn't Jesus a great guy. I sure respect him. It's so good that God loves us all and that all we have to do is have faith, hope and love, and we'll all be fine." No, that's not the way it works.
I don't know if it's already been noted in prior posts on this thread, but when Diane Sawyer asked Mel something along the lines of can people from different religions get into heaven, Mel was quick to say yes; it's just easier being a Christian. These aren't the exact words between the two, but it makes the point. People seeing this movie and not getting the heart of WHY Jesus died and that He gave His life up--no one took it from Him--are going to think in very universal terms regarding how one comes into relationship with God and why one is outside of relationship with God. Explanation for WHY were are in the dire straights we are in is left silent. One fills in the gaps, then, with, "Oh, well, we're not all that bad, then, are we. We love God and we're ok."
Mel's faith is very universalistic: he is up on "faith, hope and love," with these words being very ambiguous, conotating spirituality that become sufficient in itself to find peace with one's self and God. The movie is simply to reinforce this thinking. Funny how this comes after Luther, who hit the nail on the head with regard to the gospel message portrayed in the movie. Almost as if Satan's working overtime to counter anything that says it the way it is.
Just my two cents.
For ... well, two cents,
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 |  feelinahole Registered Member
 Date Joined Jan 2004 Total Posts : 754 | Posted 2/25/2004 5:29 AM (GMT -6) |   | | Mr. Mephi: pay attention when writing. Your second point answers your first. Plus, I do not know if you are a Christian or not, but if you are and don't understand why Jesus is so important, then something is wrong. I think perhaps, you, most of all, might need to see this movie. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  feelinahole Registered Member
 Date Joined Jan 2004 Total Posts : 754 | Posted 2/25/2004 5:40 AM (GMT -6) |   | Starkman: did you know that Peter Jackson disagrees with Tolkien on almost every point? Doesn't buy into any of Tolkien's religious beliefs? Do you feel HIS views had a bad effect on the movie? Whether or not Gibson is a universalist, to me, is irrelevant to his portrayal of Christ in the movie. "Almost as if Satan's working overtime..." from someone who hasn't seen the movie. Hmmm...yep, Satan probably is working overtime. The real question is where his job is located.
BTW, Mephi, "this whole things blows." A bit of advice. If you want to be taken seriously, you might want to use serious language. Blows what? Up? Out? But thats just me...
As for me, I am not saying the movie is bad or good, only that it looks like I might have a tiny bit of experience of what my Lord suffered. Plus, when was the last time a movie was made that had a major release on the life of Christ that tried to stay faithful to the gospels? That people who wouldn't touch the Bible might go see because a major Hollywood actor directed it. Might be bad, might be good. But I think Christians should attempt to see the good in this (at least attempt). If its bad...AT LEAST wait until you've seen it before making that judgment. Not to do so is prejudice. And prejudice blows (to coin a phrase).
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 |  feelinahole Registered Member
 Date Joined Jan 2004 Total Posts : 754 | Posted 2/25/2004 5:42 AM (GMT -6) |   | The BBC? Don't we have good ole A merican news?  | | Back to Top | | |
 |  feelinahole Registered Member
 Date Joined Jan 2004 Total Posts : 754 | Posted 2/25/2004 5:49 AM (GMT -6) |   | And so it begins...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=6&u=/ap/20040225/ap_on_en_mo/film_the_passion_13 | | Back to Top | | |
 |  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 2/25/2004 5:52 AM (GMT -6) |   | Feelin:
quote: pay attention when writing. Your second point answers your first. Plus, I do not know if you are a Christian or not, but if you are and don't understand why Jesus is so important, then something is wrong. I think perhaps, you, most of all, might need to see this movie.

Heh,
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 |  Wahoo Registered Member
 Date Joined Jan 2004 Total Posts : 142 | Posted 2/25/2004 5:55 AM (GMT -6) |   | FEELINAHOLE, Thanks for the link.
I just want to point out for TIGRESS...
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"I think if you're a Christian it will increase your faith tenfold in what Christ has done for you. If you're not a Christian, you'll probably treat others with more love."
In the central Pennsylvania community of Bellefonte, about 50 people attended a showing after midnight. Viewers groaned as Jesus was nailed to the cross, and muffled cries could be heard during more than an hour of Jesus' torture, crucifixion and death. In the end, as Jesus rises from the grave, some in the audience quietly celebrated.
"To me, that was the important part," said Aaron Tucker, an English major at Penn State. "I'm like, 'Oh, victory!' There's more to this movie than just the violence. It's about triumph."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=6&u=/ap/20040225/ap_on_en_mo/film_the_passion_13 -------------------------------------------------------------------
THIS is from those who have SEEN the movie. I haven't seen it yet but hopefully tonight.
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