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BBBCanada
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   Posted 1/20/2012 12:48 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Naomi Wolf has an excellent article on why we shouldn't demystify sex. nymag.com/nymetro/news/trends/n_9437/ Do you have any thoughts on the demystication of sex? She talks about it within the context of pornography though it could include more areas.


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   Posted 1/20/2012 1:00 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Great article, Brandon.

As I'm thinking about it, the only way that mystery can be brought back into sexuality...is for mystery and wonder of Divine Presence to be rediscovered in human existence itself. If I treat my humanity primarily as a machine geared for my will and pleasure, how could I ever see "mystery" in sex with another...or IN the other at all?

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Similitude
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   Posted 1/20/2012 8:40 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I read it pretty fast. But I'm not sure what mystery she's talking about. I think the problem is a desensitization to the sense of honor that should be associated with the body and how that relates to intimacy and, in turn, duty. Once that sense of honor is gone, any resulting perspective is wrong, mystery or no. What may be true, though, is that it may be difficult to do what it takes to de-mystify sex without being desensitized. There may be some kind of real or mental invasion of privacy required to do a total de-mystification.


 

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   Posted 1/21/2012 11:34 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think the term mystery should still be kept though. Two things Wolf says:

"If your appetite is stimulated and fed by poor-quality material, it takes more junk to fill you up."

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"The ubiquity of sexual images does not free eros but dilutes it."

It seems that the more one is exposed to pornographic material, WHAT should be "shrouded" (whatever that mystery is) is trivialized and often becomes boring. Sensitivity (possibly one area sexuality?) towards sex is lowered, yes, but the term may not encapsulate the whole of our sexuality. D, when you say "mystery and wonder," I don't think there really is any better way to state it. You?


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   Posted 1/21/2012 12:43 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"If your appetite is stimulated and fed by poor-quality material, it takes more junk to fill you up."

I like that analogy.

I would say that regard for the boundaries entailed in proper respect for the body will result in certain ignorances, which we could call mysteries. And actually, I think the only reason why groups can be subsidized to study sex is because those societies are already desensitized. That's not to say that nothing valuable comes from that research. But it can't undo the desensitization that enables the research. In that sense, the good that comes of it is probably overwhelmed by the further desensitizations it causes. People who refrain from what they ought and do what they ought will pretty much know all they need to know without all the de-mystification efforts. Two partners that fear and love God can work out issues. And there will always BE issues to work out for optimal harmony/intimacy.


 

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   Posted 1/21/2012 2:41 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I don't think there was research in the sense that they asked someone to view pornography.  There could have been studies done in that even though they ALREADY did watch it there may have been questions regarding views on women, desensitization, etc.  Just like we put out violent video games before we actually study the affects.  The one thing I found interesting about what Wolf said was the distinction she made between crimes due to pornography and the depletion of libido. 

Years ago, it was pointed out that there is a difference between correlation and causality.  There were many cases in police files that demonstrated a correlation between pornographic indulgence and criminal behavior.  However, this by itself did not actually prove that pornography causes sexual crimes.  It probably has to do with the idea that to make the distinction between correlation and causality it is almost impossible to make in practice.  For instance, people who have a pre-existing propensity toward sex crimes such as a rape and child molestation are drawn to pornography because of this inclination.  At the same time, there are cases where there is a clear evidence where someone committed a crime where the perpetuator himself confesses he felt "compelled" to act out his fantasy after looking at porn.

I suppose mystifying sex ought to be connected to spiritual development.  Barclay put it like this:

"It is wanton and undisciplined action.  It is the action of a man who is at the mercy of his passions and impulses and his emotions, and in whom the voice of calm reason has been silenced by the storms of self will."

We can talk about commands against sexual sin in terms of being for our own protection (as I've heard some more liberal stripe Christians say) but that doesn't make them sins any less.  But that protection is in part what it does to us.  We don't commit sexual sins in part because we are at the mercy of our passions and impulses and emotions and not focused toward God.


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   Posted 1/22/2012 12:55 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I wasn't referring to research mentioned in the article. I'm not sure what that was.

And I don't think people have an original propensity to do sex crimes. I think they have propensities that, given the right conditions, can result in the instantiation of desires that can be temporarily satiated by sex crimes. And I suspect excessive exposure to pornography can be such a condition for those people. It accelerates desensitization so that sexual desire is no longer constrained by the natural inhibitions the rest of society has.
 
But I definitely think the diversity of original weaknesses in constitution are at issue for how environments diversly affect us. That's why scripture tells the strong to BEAR the infirmities of the weak by restraining from what the strong would otherwise be free to do. Our society doesn't seem to even have much regard for that principle with respect to children anymore, much less adults.


 

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