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One Love
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   Posted 1/23/2012 1:51 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Corey:
I'm pretty sure most Republicans don't like this guy much. They're just desperate for anyone but Romney, and so give him a pass.

That goes back to the original post of this thread with Roland Martin's article. The people that gave Newt his boost in SC were mainly EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS. Isn't that in itself scandalous? Being willing to sell out "family values" just to get Obama out of office? (The MAIN CITED REASON that the voters gave for voting!)


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   Posted 1/23/2012 1:53 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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   Posted 1/23/2012 1:55 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yep. I'm not defending any of that, and I personally won't vote for the guy. I won't vote for Romney, either. Nor Obama. Nor ____. I don't think ANY of them reflect my views sufficiently for me to say, "THAT's my guy!" (or lady, for that matter).


 

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   Posted 1/23/2012 2:16 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
WOOOOOOOOOOW.


4:27 PM – 01/22/2012
Gingrich Lauded For Preserving 'One Man And One Woman' Marriage

Newt Gingrich, who headed into the South Carolina primary facing allegations from his ex-wife that he wanted an “open marriage,” received congratulations on his win from the National Organization for Marriage, which organizes nationally to fight same-sex marriage.

The National Organization for Marriage "congratulates Newt Gingrich on his impressive come-from-behind victory in South Carolina." said the group’s president, Brian Brown. He also noted that Gingrich signed the group’s Marriage Pledge, which calls for investigating the organization's critics and passing a federal marriage amendment. Candidates Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum also signed the pledge,

"It is now clear that the Republican Party will nominate a candidate who is strongly committed to preserving marriage as the union of one man and one woman," Brown said. "We have succeeded in making the preservation of marriage a key issue in this race, and we will continue to do so throughout the primary season, and into the general election against President Obama."

What friggin PLANET am I on??????


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   Posted 1/23/2012 3:32 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yo..I REALLY would like an answer to my question. And I KNOW the people that are my HOMIES here are reading. Heh...

Would any Black male (REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT, INDEPENDENT, whatever) who had the SAME TYPE of situation going on as Newt Gingrich be seen as a viable option for President? In other words, if a Black male running for President was a serial philanderer (married to his last mistress that he had for 6 years who was a congressional aide ) with the ethical problems and narcissism that Newt had demonstrated, would he be in Newt's position right now? Again, let's say that his latest wife is WHITE.

So...what are your honest thoughts on this? Don't leave a brotha hangin'.  LOL! ;-)


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   Posted 1/23/2012 7:12 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It would depend on if he was Republican! LTKFC! (Laughing To Keep From Crying) 


 

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Hmmm...I don't know about that, Jeff. We have an actual test case. I don't think Herman Cain would have survived that affair that came out (forget all the sexual harassment accusations that the Republicans were trying to ignore as irrelevant!) You know, the woman who came forward as his mistress for 13 years!

There's NO WAY he would have even won even the Republican nomination, let alone the Presidency.  Can you imagine South Carolina voting for Post-Ginger-White-Herman-Cain?  The other Republican candidates would have torn him to shreds over it...and he knew it. That's why he stopped his campaign RIGHT AFTER that story broke...saying virtually NOTHING about Ms. White, good or bad.
 

She claims the affair ended eight months ago — around the time that Cain announced he was running for president.

To prove the affair happened, White provided Atlanta's Fox 5 with her cell phone records, which include 61 phone calls and text messages with a number she claims belongs to Cain.

The smoking gun? When the station texted the number, Cain returned the call.

Cain told the station that he knew Ginger White, but said her allegations were false. He said she had his phone number because he was trying to help her financially.

If Herman Cain--as much as the GOP tried to ignore the sexual harrassment allegations of other women--couldn't survive that, how could he have survived a Newt-like situation?

Soooo...wanna rethink that, Jeff?
 
Anyone else?  Come on, guys.   I know y'all lurkin'...


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   Posted 1/24/2012 7:39 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
You have a point. But Cain lasted longer than a black Democrat would have. And political positions play into what people perceive as possible "fruits of repentance." That Newt wants to annihilate Iran is evidence for some that he sees the light and, therefore, may be truly repentant.


 

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   Posted 1/24/2012 11:41 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Similtude:
You have a point. But Cain lasted longer than a black Democrat would have.

Sure...but that's just my point. The way this country is, a WHITE MAN can do this--as Newt Gingrich is already demonstrating. As a matter of fact, as we speak, according to Gallup polls, Gringrich is now NATIONALLY neck and neck with Romney! NATIONALLY! And As you and I seem to agree, Jeff, there's NO WAY that if Herman Cain had all the SAME issues that Newt had, he'd be nationally neck-and-neck with Mitt Romney. 

The bottom line is that, as hard of a fact as this is to look at, this--with all the race-baiting tactics we've seen THAT HAVE WORKED (ala South Carolina) is PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE that racism is still alive and well.  I really do believe many people have a hard time facing this truth because it inherently removes the FALSE American meritocracy idea that still pervades our country.  People HAVE to admit that, when it comes down to it, White people are in power and can USE that power with impunity...whereas a person of color in the same situation cannot.

Let's just get REAL for a sec. Really. In 2008, if Sarah Palin wouldn't have been such a dud, McCain would have easily been in office. Why? Because, bottom line, there is still a significant contingency of people in America that are plain UNCOMFORTABLE with a Black man as President of the US. THAT'S a underlying, but very present, reason why all the fervor to get him out of office.

Ask yourself this:  Have you ever seen as MUCH open disrespect shown to a President during his WHOLE TERM as you've seen with Obama?  I'm only 38, but I know I haven't.


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   Posted 1/24/2012 2:15 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Counter-factuals are notoriously difficult to establish. We can't know what "would have" happened if Gingrich were black; it's too difficult to hold all other things constant so we can identify causation.


 

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   Posted 1/24/2012 3:05 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Corey:
Counter-factuals are notoriously difficult to establish. We can't know what "would have" happened if Gingrich were black; it's too difficult to hold all other things constant so we can identify causation.

Hmm...ok. It's funny. All the black people I talk to about this see what I'm saying clearly (Aki's parents, included). But the white people I talk to somehow see too much fuzziness to make a call. (homies outside of this board, included) Hmm...

There are some times when I do get bewildered on this board. And it's usually around topics dealing with race relations.


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   Posted 1/24/2012 3:23 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I absolutely LOVE Jon Stewart.  Some of the best news on television.  For real...

"All [King] has to do is point out the hypocrisy of a family values crusader who presided over Congress at the time of the Republicans' 'Clinton penis scavenger hunt' suddenly finding that kind of questioning of a Presidential candidate unseemly! Point out that [Gingrich] insists that gay people would sully the sanctity of marriage -- whilst being a career marriage sully-er!"


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   Posted 1/24/2012 3:26 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yup. I KNEW I wouldn't even have to search that hard on the Net. I KNEW others would be thinking what I was...

Dr. Boyce & Yvette: What if Newt Gingrich Were a Black Man?

Nida Khan: What if Newt Gingrich Were Black?

Too rich...

Nida killed it.


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   Posted 1/24/2012 3:37 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't doubt that others are thinking what you are. I'm not claiming that you're alone in your views.

Please, I'm just being a "P".


 

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   Posted 1/24/2012 4:30 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Gotcha, Corey. I believe that of you, obviously. (INTP :-) ) It's just interesting how the demographics of the answers have been coming out.  And it's interesting how consistent a pattern the demongraphics become over time.


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   Posted 1/24/2012 5:12 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It may be some consolation to you that Obama will likely win. I consider InTrade to be the most reliable predictor of such things because people have to put their money where their mouth is; merely being a pundit or spouting off to some pollster has financial consequences.

http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/?eventId=84326
 
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   Posted 1/24/2012 5:22 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Corey:
It may be some consolation to you that Obama will likely win.\

No consolation here, bro. None. Why?

1) It will NOT change the racism and general nastiness that has been unleashed. It's only getting worse from here.

2) Honestly? I truly believe SOMEONE'S gonna try to assassinate him before that happens. Dead serious. There's already been MULTIPLE (UNARRESTED) people that have publically called for his killing AND his KIDS. Even in PUBLICATIONS.  The anger is too high. It's gonna spill over. Remember on the day he was installed into office, a group of 20 or more white people burned down a 1.2 millon dollar Black church. When asked why, the ringleader SPECIFICALLY mentioned being mad that a Black man was President. I expect much more than that now.  
 
As you've shown, Corey...pretty much EVERYONE knows that none of the GOP candidates have a snowballs chance in hell of beating Obama.  Hence all the desperation and attacking.  In a coupla months, it's REALLY gonna come out...and watch out.  Why say that?  Hmm...
 
 
And that was just a cat.  Yeah....

Frankly...I hope I'm wrong about Obama's assassination.  Cause if I'm not, we may see the Los Angeles riots level anger and destruction to the 40th power in MULTIPLE metropolitan areas.  It can get really dangerous.

I'm praying...


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   Posted 1/24/2012 5:26 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
And I tell you what. When it does go down, all I can say is that I'm glad Jesus saved my soul...so that I don't fall into outright White establishment hatred and start f##kin' stuff up.  And that's ME, y'all. 

Can't say that for some of my other homies in the hood.  Think Reginald Denny. 

Lord Jesus, HELP US!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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   Posted 1/24/2012 5:29 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
And think about it. Isn't it amazing that I even have to THINK THIS WAY? But that's how it is when you are an institutionally-oppressed people group in a racialized society that's not ready to let go of certain levels of power.


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   Posted 1/24/2012 5:30 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Equal time.
 
What James Carville doesn't get about Republicans
By Ari Fleischer, CNN Contributor
updated 10:47 AM EST, Mon January 23, 2012


Yes, there's a lot we don't understand about the GOP
By James Carville and Paul Begala, CNN Contributors
updated 2:58 PM EST, Tue January 24, 2012


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   Posted 1/24/2012 5:55 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
WOW!

"For poor minorities, entrepreneurship in small business is the key to future wealth," Gingrich wrote by hand in a first draft. "This is understood thoroughly by most of the Asians, partially by Latinos, and to a tragically small degree by much of the American black community."

 

In 1993 and '94, Gingrich liked to illustrated the broad support for welfare reform with the example of a survey question posed by a Southern newspaper. "Do you believe all welfare recipients should be required to work, including women with young children?" the paper asked. In what Gingrich apparently believed would be a surprise to listeners, he'd tell them, "81 percent of southern blacks said yes, while only 11 percent said no."

In the same speech, he said that "Bosnia, Somalia and Iraq are grim reminders that humans can be vicious, brutal and savage to each other," but "Anacostia in Washington, Techwood in Atlanta and East L.A. are reminders that Americans can return to barbaric behaviors and vicious brutality with frightening speed."

America.


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This poster had it SUPER ON POINT!!!
 
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As a black person who was born and raised an American, I must say, it sucks being a citizen quite a lot of the time, especially when you KNOW that sentiments like this aren't just held by people who get vetted so publicly and nationally­. These are the thoughts of school guidance counselors­, judges, police, real estate agents, loan officers, cab drivers, what have you, and you just have to go through life knowing that there is very little you can do about it...

EXACTA-FRIGGIN-MUNDO!

jumpin jumpin jumpin jumpin jumpin jumpin jumpin jumpin jumpin


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   Posted 1/24/2012 6:31 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Uh...

The rain's on the ground, situation's gettin muddy.
The fear is in the air, situation's gettin' bloody
I'm trying to face to future, tryin' to tell all the buddies
I'm talking Current Events, you can call it social studies...

I said, the rain's on the ground, situation's gettin muddy.
The hatred's in the air, situation's gettin' bloody
I'm trying to face to future, tryin' to tell all the buddies
I'm talking Current Events, you can call it social studies, yeah...


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I agree with you, D. You've quoted some good stuff.

On the other hand, Democratic politicians (and Republicans) love for 5 men to ram abortion on demand thru 9 months, etc down the country's throat even though even liberal federal judges have admitted Roe v. Wade etal are bad decisions--i.e., perjured usurpations of power.

Virtually all of them are shameless beyond belief. This is why I can't get worked up about politics. We have no meaningful choice.



 

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   Posted 1/25/2012 1:50 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Similtude:
And political positions play into what people perceive as possible "fruits of repentance." That Newt wants to annihilate Iran is evidence for some that he sees the light and, therefore, may be truly repentant.

You mentioned Newt and the annihilation of Iran. I thought about what you said when I read the following pieces...

Here...

NEW YORK -- The wife of a casino mogul who contributed $5 million to an independent group supporting Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich is matching that contribution, a person with knowledge of the contribution said Monday.

Miriam Adelson, the wife of Las Vegas billionaire Sheldon Adelson, was giving $5 million to Winning Our Future, a super PAC supporting the former House speaker's presidential bid. The Adelson associate was not free to discuss the matter publicly and disclosed the contribution on condition of anonymity.

The Adelsons are close to Gingrich and have supported his political endeavors for many years. They have both made the maximum contribution to his campaign.

Super PACs can raise and spend unlimited amounts to support or oppose a candidate as long as they do not coordinate directly with a campaign. Super PACs came about after a Supreme Court ruling in 2010 significantly eased campaign finance restrictions.

Sheldon Adelson made his contribution to the pro-Gingrich super PAC in January, after Gingrich was battered with attack ads from Restore Our Future, a super PAC backing Mitt Romney. Gingrich, who had been leading polls in Iowa in December, placed fourth in the state's caucuses and fourth in the New Hampshire primary after the advertising binge.


Now, THIS was interesting information from some posters...

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Sheldon Adelson isn't trying to buy a politician­.

He's trying to purchase a premptive war with Iran.

God help us.



Now, at first, I thought that statement was a little paranoid sounding.  Seriously.  Like really?  Then I read on...


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People may think Sheldon Adelson's claim to fame is his casino holdings.

Actually it is the Israeli newspaper he publishes:

http://www.promisedlandblog.com/?tag=sheldon-adelson

If the American people want a hard core Zionist for president who will try to have our country re-named "The United States of Israel", then Newt is your man!



I went to the website Abbywood posted...and DANG. You've just gotta see it for yourself. Seriously.  GO AND READ some of it.  It REALLY DOES look like something fishy. And what's making me think that even more is this...

Newspaper Editor: Israel Should Consider Assassinating Obama

Part of the article...

Andrew Adler, the owner and publisher of the Atlanta Jewish Times, a weekly newspaper serving Atlanta's Jewish community, devoted his January 13, 2012 column to the thorny problem of the U.S. and Israel's diverging views on the threat posed by Iran. Basically Israel has three options, he wrote: Strike Hezbollah and Hamas, strike Iran, or "order a hit" on Barack Obama. Either way, problem solved!

From Adler...

Three, give the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take out a president deemed unfriendly to Israel in order for the current vice president to take his place, and forcefully dictate that the United States' policy includes its helping the Jewish state obliterate its enemies.

Yes, you read "three" correctly. Order a hit on a president in order to preserve Israel's existence. Think about it. If I have thought of this Tom Clancy-type scenario, don't you think that this almost unfathomable idea has been discussed in Israel's most inner circles?

Another way of putting "three" in perspective goes something like this: How far would you go to save a nation comprised of seven million lives...Jews, Christians and Arabs alike?

You have got to believe, like I do, that all options are on the table.



Ok. Now LETS GO BACK to that PromisedLand blog page here...and see what it says...

Sheldon Adelson: Obama’s moves liable to bring the destruction of Israel
From there...
 

And what does Adelson think of Obama? Here it goes:

Any of the Republican hopefuls “are going to be 180 degrees” different from President Obama in terms of “what’s good for this country and for Israel,” Adelson said, adding that Obama is “the worst president” for Israel.

“All the steps he’s taken against the state of Israel are liable to bring about the destruction of the state,” he asserted.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....  hmmm
 

Hey, y'all. I may not be THAT smart...but it sure seems like Mr Adelson feels the same way about all options being on the table...but he added one: Buy the American Election, put Newt Gingrich into office (removing Obama PEACEFULLY), have Newt "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" for the sake of Israel.

Get that.  If what's being put together is true, then...
 
ONE MAN (and his wife, I guess) is trying to friggin BUY THE ELECTION (ala Newt Gingrich) to get Obama out of office to SECURE ISRAEL against Iran.
 
All because of the DUMB ruling by the Supreme Court about SuperPACs.
 
Is anyone else reading this freaking the HELL out right now?


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