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Originally posted by feelinahole

I haven't seen the movie but the coffee table book based on the movie (pictures from it with a forward by Mel G) shows Jesus healed in the end and scripture about the resurrection. However, since that doesn't seem to be the main focus of the movie, it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't include it. I, however, have no problem with that. It seems that Mel G's stated intention for making the movie is the sacrifice Christ made for us, not his power over death.
If people can truly understand what he did for us, maybe they'll understand what he can do for us.

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Originally posted by feelinahole

I think we all have some family member that is a bit "off" (some of us ARE that family member!).
BTW, I think its wonderful that Mel G. stated only that he loved his father and would not speak against him. The press is not the place to settle or air family matters.

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"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
"You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God..." Duet 5:8, 9

"For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became fuitile in their speculations, and their foolishness heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures." Rom 1:21-23

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Perhaps "The Passion of the Christ" isn't a movie that evangelicals should flock to and idolize as the newest, greatest, tool for evangelism. Perhaps we are sinning by going to this movie. Perhaps we dishonoring God. Perhaps we are trading in the incorruptible glory of Jesus Almighty on the cross, for a weak, graven, sinful, prideful, corruptilbe image of a mere actor on a screen. Perhaps God hates this film, for it lessens His glory, and inaccurately portrays Christ dead and risen. Perhaps...

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Creating God in the likeness of one's imagination can be sinful, and we need to make sure that we don't do that.

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Originally posted by borg

feelinahole, hahaha. Thanks for the post, it cracked me up, i was seriously laughing. but regarding your "not-so-serious-questions" but rather your weak attempt at refuting an argument in a hostile way; I read Edwards, because I interprut him in light of Scripture. Edwards wasn't perfect. And if i didn't have such a stinking draw to the great theologians of old, i would only stick with the Bible. But i find their view points interesting and worth reading, much like philosophy. I never said we couldn't talk about Christ, that would be foolish of me. and to say that i pick and choose my idols, i rather think that i don't have idols as all are condemned in scripture. I don't pick and choose who to worship, though sadly it's usually myself and not God. Thanks for the ungrounded ad homs that you threw my way, I give you an (A) in debating. I can say it's weak and pathetic, because it's not the real thing, only an image of what happened. Anything, no matter how well done it is, will be weak and pathetic to exactly what happened on the cross, it's common sense. any drawing of me will be weak and pathetic, because it cannot, like my being, depict me in a "just" way. Thanks for lumping me with the anti-semetics and telling me i need to repent. Anything i have ever heard from you about love, has now passed fleetinly through my mind as I realize that perhaps you can talk about it, but it seems that you don't practice the implications of your own theology, making it useless. And I do wish that i wasn't so sinful and filled with the need to be "entertained", and all i wanted was the Bible; what a great life. the last i read the Bible said that the Word of God was sharper than a double edge sword, and living, etc, not Mel Gibson's movie. And I'm not judging through ignorance. Perhaps you didn't read my entire post, but I clearly said this is a thought that has not left my mind, that has not stopped troubling me. I wish I could watch the Passion without a worry, but for some reason my mind and heart don't condone it. And these words have spoken too true to me. Any portrayal of Christ less glorious than He was in person, is degrading to the glory of God. I cannot reconcile that.

Calvin, thanks for the question. that is one thing i've been wondering about. and though it seems much of the early church fathers seemed to condemn thoughts of Christ, I don't believe it's wrong. we are wired that way, God gave us an imagination in correlation to things we read and therefore we cannot help but to picture things. As I said, "it can be sinful" and that's where we need to walk the line carefully so that we don't begin to produce false idols and images in our head that stray from Biblical teaching. Does that make sense?
Blessings,
Word Alone,
Borg

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Originally posted by borg

Tig, thanks for that post. you must have written it while i was writing mine, or i'm as blind as a bat. Excellent post. You sais that film can be used as an effective tool in witnessing. I would agree, but is it right of us to adopt standards and ideas from this culture, especially if it in some way lowers our standards, to reach people? Do we comprimise to "win" people over? The stained glass windows were condemned by some as idols and wrongful. Another point is that perhaps Christians can have the right mind frame, but can non-christians have the right one? that should make us all the more ready to go out and share the true gospel with these people and help them to understand the truth as the Holy Spirit allows.
Why do you think a Christian needs to see this movie? If we truly believe in Scripture and we truly believe it's what it claims to be, why must we go see the movie? All we should need is the Bible?
Blessings,
Borg

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