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One Love
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| Posted 2/26/2012 9:06 AM (GMT -6) |   |
What should pastors do if they no longer hold the defining beliefs of their denomination? Do clergy have a moral obligation not to challenge the sincere faith of their parishioners? If this requires them to dissemble from the pulpit, doesn't this create systematic hypocrisy at the center of religion? What would you want your pastor to do with his or her personal doubts or loss of faith?
Read "Preachers who are not Believers," a study by Daniel C. Dennett and Linda LaScola of the Center for Cognitive Studies at Tufts University.
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One Love
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| Posted 2/26/2012 9:43 AM (GMT -6) | | But lookin at this, I definitely saw something about myself.
I am a BELIEVER.
I BELIEVE that I'm not just talking to myself (or some hallucination) when I talk to Jesus.
I BELIEVE there's someone HEAR ME TALK TO HIM when I pray the Jesus Prayer!
I BELIEVE that this person that I've been talking to was crucified around 2 millenia ago, and raised from death.
I BELIEVE this person is sustaining all Creation in existence, indwelling us in our very centers...right here, right now.
And I'm too deep in it now to DISbelieve.
All I can say is...
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy upon us sinners, of whom I am chief.
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BBBCanada
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One Love
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| Posted 5/1/2012 3:21 PM (GMT -6) | | Sometimes I can't help but think...
What if ministers like Teresa McBain knew about some of the stuff we've been talking about (ie EUR, trinitarian process, God as Beauty, Orthodox incarnation and human glorification, Etc)?
What would be her options then?
That's that I like about what kind of conversations we've had on the board here. We more or less come to intellectually satisfying conclusions about the above...right? It actually MAKES SENSE when you think it all through. Would anyone disagree with that?
What if more people knew about that...rather than "apostasizing" against a non-Orthodox view of God in the first place...thus becoming "atheists"?
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner. Post Edited (One Love) : 5/1/2012 3:47:29 PM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 5/1/2012 3:49 PM (GMT -6) | | "Sometimes, I think to myself, if I could just go back a few years and not ask the questions and just be one of those sheep and blindly follow and not know the truth, it would be so much easier. I'd just keep my job. But I can't do that. I know it's a lie. I know it's false."
That's what McBain said. Now think about this. She is saying that she KNOWS that Christianity is a "lie" and that it's "false."
And who are these "sheep" who "blindly follow"? Anyone who DOES believe Christianity (let alone theistic belief) is the "truth"?
What do y'all think about that?
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Asher
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| Posted 5/1/2012 4:20 PM (GMT -6) | | Exactly Dwayne. It's sad really. Ignorance of modal logic. They haven't exhausted the logical possibilities. Only acknowledging 2 poles...claiming one to be true and the other false...but when they lose faith in what they belief is "true", they swing to the other pole and declare IT now to be true and the other to be false. But their acceptance (in both instances? ) is surface deep. They don't follow the logical conclusions of the new "truth". They found logical flaw in their original position, which caused them to abandon it (OK, that's good); but now they don't follow logic where it would take them in the new position.
Another sad option is those who DO follow the logical flow of atheism and become nihilists. (Again, usually first preceded by a rejection of a false "truth" ) Again, a lack in appreciation for the methodology of modal logic, which would lead them to other viable options. | | Back to Top | | |
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 5/2/2012 10:52 AM (GMT -6) | | Nicely said Asher D. Was struggling how to formulate that. Let me ask this for clarity sake. Asher you say:
"Another sad option is those who DO follow the logical flow of atheism and become nihilists. (Again, usually first preceded by a rejection of a false "truth" )"
You are saying that as they follow the logical flow of atheism they eventually reject THAT "truth" and slip into nihilism simply because they refuse or have a lack of appreciation for other viable options such as what has been discussed on these boards.
Brandon
Since love grows within you, so beauty grows. For love is the beauty of the soul.--Saint Augustine
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