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One Love
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| Posted 5/14/2012 8:15 PM (GMT -6) |   | | This is probably a HUGE "biblical" ground for kenoticism...
I wouldn't be surprised if this is part of Jeff's issue either. If there is something that the Father knows that the Son doesn't know, then how can the Son be omniscient like the Father...being of the same "nature"...while so OBVIOUSLY being non-omnscient. As I recall, Jeff has a fundamental problem with the idea of a singular person being simultaneously omniscient and non-omniscient. Isn't that right, Jeff?
I betcha money a LOOOOOOT of people become kenoticists over this. And the deep Holy Spirit-dependency of Jesus's activity.
As I understand things, Orthodoxy says that the fully human Jesus, the Son of God, the Incarnate Word in his human nature, had relevant creaturely limitation of knowledege informed by the Holy Spirit. Jesus had a human brain and human ego process therein that he was working with. There's plenty of good reasons why the Father knew the final "day" or "hour" and Jesus, the Son, didn't. There is nothing in affirming that that says that the Only-Begotten of God, in his divine/uncreated nature, doesn't personally transcend his created nature, being ESSENTIALLY uncreated (as John 1:1 Word of God the Father in the Spirit).
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner. Post Edited (One Love) : 5/14/2012 8:23:33 PM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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Similitude
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| Posted 5/15/2012 10:11 PM (GMT -6) | | | This has nothing to do with kenoticism to me. Because what it actually proves to me is that the Beloved never was NECESSARILY omniscient. Therefore, I have no way of knowing if he ever was or ever will be omniscient. But as such, it seems inconsistent with the view that there are always 3 divine persons that are omniscient. Thus, that seems to imply that, to the extent that the Son/Beloved is divine, omniscience isn't a necessary attribute of divinity. In another sense of divinity, that applies to the Father, it could be.
The key is the fact that it says 'ONLY' the Father knew it. Not just THAT the Father knew it.
Post Edited (Similitude) : 5/15/2012 10:14:55 PM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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