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DLW
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   Posted 3/27/2004 8:23 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hello Board, just passing through... I saw Gods and Generals and it touched a good deal upon the calvinism that was held by Thomas Stonewall Jackson and thought it'd be worth bringing up at this board.

This is the first movie in a three part series that gives a dramatic but very realistic portrayal of the Civil War.

The first one focuses on Thomas "StoneWall" Jackson and is very explicit regarding how religious he was. On the DVD they go into a lot of biographical content for him. Apparently, he was orphaned at 7 and grew up in a poor part of Western Virginia.

It is beautiful and disturbing in how realistic it is and how it portrays the views of the southerners and how they stoked themselves for battle.

It shows how Jackson's presbyterianism/calvinism served as a psychic balm for him. He believed that his day of death was already preset and so he didn't let the fact that he might be killed at any point in battle ever concern him.

I recommend it, particularly if you're interested in US history.

dlw


Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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Mayflower
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   Posted 3/27/2004 7:11 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Welcome back, Brother.
We have missed you...

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Tiggers
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   Posted 3/28/2004 6:41 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Originally posted by Mayflower


Welcome back, Brother.
We have missed you...

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I agree, good to read you agian, DLW Cool !

Warmly in Christ,
Tiggers


“The notion that God uses evils as a means to such higher goods is, … incompatible with the doctrine that he is omnipotent, and therefore does not need to use deplorable means to achieve his ends” (J.L. Mackie).

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Tigress
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   Posted 3/29/2004 4:27 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Oh, my DLW's back! Hi! I've missed you! Smile


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DLW
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   Posted 3/29/2004 10:19 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thankyou.

I've found that TWeb suits me better since its a bigger board and there are more posters like me who enjoy debating practical issues on which we have free-will regarding. I also don't really have time to post often at two boards.

I also have more opportunities to share and show my faith to non-Christians there, though there are by far more uncivil "Christian" posters at that board.

Here are some more thoughts on "Gods and Generals"...

For me, I liked the psychological aspects of the movie, wherein what was emphasized was how the actors understood their role in the war. If you rent the DVD they go into the history of Jackson and how death followed him all his life. He has some interesting lines where he explains his resolve in battle as stemming from his religious conviction that when he will die is already set out by God and not something to be feared.

I've always admired the confederate soldiers for their bravery and skill. The movie points out that Jackson was opposed to slavery and believed, naively, that the Confederate leaders would free the slaves to ensure their support in the war. He said something to the effect that either way the slaves would be freed and that all he can do is continue his part and leave it up in the lord's hands. That got me thinking, if Jackson had not fought so well and done so much to give the South an early advantage in the war, then Abraham Lincoln wouldn't have felt the need to change the purpose of the war by making it to free the slaves, not just preserve the union. In that case, Jackson really was helping to free the slaves even if not through the way he thought it would take place.

And I think the religiosity of people on both sides and how they understood the war does raise serious questions for Christians. Mark Noll deals with this question well in "America's God" where he compares northern and southern theologians as well as the theological ideas of Abraham Lincoln.

dlw


Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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Tigress
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   Posted 3/29/2004 11:38 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Originally posted by DLW

Thankyou.

I've found that TWeb suits me better since its a bigger board and there are more posters like me who enjoy debating practical issues on which we have free-will regarding. I also don't really have time to post often at two boards.

I also have more opportunities to share and show my faith to non-Christians there, though there are by far more uncivil "Christian" posters at that board.

Here are some more thoughts on "Gods and Generals"...

For me, I liked the psychological aspects of the movie, wherein what was emphasized was how the actors understood their role in the war. If you rent the DVD they go into the history of Jackson and how death followed him all his life. He has some interesting lines where he explains his resolve in battle as stemming from his religious conviction that when he will die is already set out by God and not something to be feared.

I've always admired the confederate soldiers for their bravery and skill. The movie points out that Jackson was opposed to slavery and believed, naively, that the Confederate leaders would free the slaves to ensure their support in the war. He said something to the effect that either way the slaves would be freed and that all he can do is continue his part and leave it up in the lord's hands. That got me thinking, if Jackson had not fought so well and done so much to give the South an early advantage in the war, then Abraham Lincoln wouldn't have felt the need to change the purpose of the war by making it to free the slaves, not just preserve the union. In that case, Jackson really was helping to free the slaves even if not through the way he thought it would take place.

And I think the religiosity of people on both sides and how they understood the war does raise serious questions for Christians. Mark Noll deals with this question well in "America's God" where he compares northern and southern theologians as well as the theological ideas of Abraham Lincoln.

dlw




What's the web address for TWeb that you're referring to?


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DLW
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   Posted 3/29/2004 11:56 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
http://www.theologyweb.com/index.php?


Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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