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Tigress
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| Posted 5/3/2004 7:02 AM (GMT -6) |   | I know Christians "aren't supposed to" get all political and all, and I'm not sure what I think of George W. Bush, but this info. does give me pause.
Tigress
Worst President? - GIVE ME A BREAK!
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January.....in the fair city of Detroit (Michigan) there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's one American city folks, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq!
Worst president in history?
The following appeared in the Durham, NC local paper as a letter to the editor:
Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They
complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11.
Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims.
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never
attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of
18,333 per year.
John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
attacked us. I think history might show Eisenhower committed the troops and Kennedy was honoring that commitment.
Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives
were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has
liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put
nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.
Worst president in history? Come on!
The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but.....
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the
Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.
We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less
time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to
destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in
Florida!!!!!
Our military is GREAT!
Tigress 
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phil_five
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| Posted 5/3/2004 3:41 PM (GMT -6) | | I don't get what any of the arguments have to do with anything.
People -- in my opinion -- should be concerned with the justifications of THIS war.
I am upset about the war with Iraq, not because I wanted the people to live under Saddam, but because, it was sold to the American public on misinformation. We were told things to get our support, and it seems that many, if not most, of the reasons why the public supported the war were known to be false the the administration.
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feelinahole
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| Posted 5/3/2004 8:15 PM (GMT -6) | | Actually, Phil I prefer not to rush to judgment on whether or not they were false. Regardless, I believe we did the right thing and the world is better because of it.
That said, what Tigress quoted is typical of the polorization of politics today. | | Back to Top | | |
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John Earp
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| Posted 5/3/2004 8:19 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by phil_five
I am upset about the war with Iraq, not because I wanted the people to live under Saddam, but because, it was sold to the American public on misinformation. We were told things to get our support, and it seems that many, if not most, of the reasons why the public supported the war were known to be false the the administration.
If it is true that these allegations were known to be false by the administration prior to the war, why is it that Germany, France, and other countries also believed that Saddam possessed WMDs? This is truly a curiosity to me, why the liberal Dems have all tried to pin the blame on the Bush administration, when the truth is that even our allies who were against going to war agreed that Saddam had WMDs.
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
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feelinahole
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| Posted 5/4/2004 5:40 AM (GMT -6) | | | This is what truly bothers me, John. Some simply want to demonize Bush ignore the fact that all these other countries also believed that Iraq possessed these weapons, yet seem to want to "overlook" this fact. There was never any question whether or not he possessed them, but rather whether or not we should go in. If Bush lied, then all countries, both pro and con were lying. I would like those who hate Bush to explain that. | | Back to Top | | |
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phil_five
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| Posted 5/4/2004 6:56 AM (GMT -6) | | We didn't just go to war because of WMD, lots of countries have them --countries that our intelligence says are much more of a threat to peace than Iraq was. North Korea for instance.
Also, the administration did all but say Saddam and Osama were collectively behind the 9-11 attacks when in fact Osama thought Saddam was an infidel.
It just seems we went to war more out of fear and vengeance than to set the people of Iraq free.
And even if the whole administration was completely altruistic, all the conflicts of interest make it a huge mess. Halliburton for instance.
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PhilTheThrill
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| Posted 5/4/2004 7:27 AM (GMT -6) | | Regarding WMD:
You see a man who you know is a criminal. He is a known murder and has a reputation for being a liar and a sadist. You have evidence he is helping or at least consorting with a gang that attacked your family two years ago. You see a bulge in his waistband that looks like a gun. Everyone around you thinks it's a gun. You draw a gun and point it at him and say "If you don't show me your gun, I'm going to shoot". He says "I dont have a gun!" so you say "well then show me" and he says "no". "Well if you dont show me, I'll shoot. You've killed before and owned guns in the past and you're not supposed to have one. Show me!" and he says "no" again. What are you supposed to do? Just pray that the known murderer is telling the truth? If the best evidence at the time from intelligence agencies the world over said Saddam had WMDs, it would be criminal NOT to attack.
Whether or not he had WMD, we had credible evidence that he did. The whole world thought he had them. He repeatedly violated resolution 1441 and the terms of the 1991 ceasefire. It was the right thing to do in a post-9/11 world. What more do you need?
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Also, the administration did all but say Saddam and Osama were collectively behind the 9-11 attacks when in fact Osama thought Saddam was an infidel.
We know Al-Qaeda had training camps in Iraq, not to mention Al-Qaeda leaders had been seen hanging out with Baathist officials. Bush never said Saddam was behind 9/11, but that Saddam was at least hanging out with the people that were. Not to mention Saddam helped fund suicide bombers. | | Back to Top | | |
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Tigress
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| Posted 5/7/2004 5:52 AM (GMT -6) | | Another interesting read I received from my aunt and uncle:
Have you recently looked at the label of a jar of Heinz sandwich slice pickles. Yep...."Made in Mexico". Check some of your Heinz products.
Sen. John Kerry keeps talking about U.S. corporations leaving this country and setting up shop in foreign countries, taking thousands of jobs with them. He is right, because that has happened.
That cannot be said about Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz-Kerry. According to the Wall Street Journal, the Kerry's own 32 factories in Europe and 18 in Asia and the Pacific. In addition, their company, the Heinz Company, leases four factories in Europe and four in Asia. Also, they own 27 factories in North America, some of which are in Mexico and the Caribbean. I wonder how many hundreds of American workers lost their jobs when these plants relocated in foreign countries.
I also wonder if the workers in Mexico and Asia are paid the same wages and benefits as workers in the United States. Of course they're not. However, Kerry demands that other companies that relocate should pay the same benefits they did in the U.S. Why does he not demand this of the Heinz Company, since he is married to the owner?
If Kerry is elected, will he and his wife close all those foreign factories and bring all those jobs back to America? Of course they won't. They're making millions off that cheap labor. Hey! I can exist without a Heinz pickle!
How true!
Joe Smith started the day early having set his alarm clock (MADE IN JAPAN) for 6am. While his coffeepot (MADE IN CHINA) was perking, he shaved with his electric razor (MADE IN HONG KONG). He put on a dress shirt (MADE IN SRI LANKA), designer jeans (MADE IN SINGAPORE) and tennis shoes (MADE IN KOREA). After cooking his breakfast in his new electric skillet (MADE IN INDIA) he sat down with his calculator (MADE IN MEXICO) to see how much he could spend today. After setting his watch (MADE IN TAIWAN) to the radio (MADE IN INDIA) he got in his car (MADE IN GERMANY) and continued his search for a good paying AMERICAN JOB. At the end of yet another discouraging and fruitless day, Joe decided to relax for a while. He put on his sandals (MADE IN BRAZIL) poured himself a glass of wine (MADE IN FRANCE) and turned on his TV (MADE IN INDONESIA), and then wondered why he can't find a good paying job in.....AMERICA.....
Tigress
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phil_five
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| Posted 5/11/2004 12:46 PM (GMT -6) | | http://washingtontimes.com/business/20040406-114125-2957r.htm
According to this article, the Kerrys "are not involved in Heinz's management, board of directors or charitable organization."
It's true that the majority of the company's factories are outside the U.S., but so are the majority of the Company's sales. | | Back to Top | | |
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feelinahole
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| Posted 5/11/2004 7:23 PM (GMT -6) | | | I can understand why the Heinz Co. would want to distance itself from Kerry. | | Back to Top | | |
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