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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 4/7/2004 3:45 AM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
Originally posted by Laika
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Originally posted by Tigress
This article reported on international concepts of lie detection:
http://content.health.msn.com/content/article/85/98400.htm
I find it sad that Protestants (Christians) are apparently so good at lying.
I have a Ferrari.
Oh Laika, what a long nose you have. | | Back to Top | | |
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Wahoo
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| Posted 4/7/2004 4:52 AM (GMT -6) | | HOGWASH!!!
Obviously this health columnist has herself been taken to the cleaners. If asked how much you lie, and you carried that guilt trying to mask it, would you honestly come clean about the percentage of lying that you do? There is no scientific method involved in that. Now, you can set up a test and control one liar and one truthteller. But to say that this group lies 47% and that group 55%. She's not being honest in her reporting. She should have said, "Muslims admit to lying 47% of the time while Protestants admit to it 55% of the time." See how much different that sounds!?! She's a spin factory. And making it the closing statement of her article, she sounds like she has an axe to grind.
The people who lie always have it easier than the people who tell the truth. It takes much more effort to substantiate a truth than it does to fabricate a lie.
Good article to bring to the table.
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quest for truth
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| Posted 4/7/2004 10:41 PM (GMT -6) | | Wahooquote:
The people who lie always have it easier than the people who tell the truth. It takes much more effort to substantiate a truth than it does to fabricate a lie.
On the contrary, I think one lie leads to anther. Did you ever see the Vegie Tales movie about the little fib that turned into a monster? It takes a lot of energy to defend the little fib and the snowball effect that results takes a lot of work.
The truth sets us free!
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Wahoo
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| Posted 4/8/2004 5:04 AM (GMT -6) | | Its not as simple as little purple fibs...
Have you ever observed an intense court battle. When someone makes a false statement, the burden of proof that the statement is false is on the opposing side. That requires concrete evidence. Not always is lying so difficult. | | Back to Top | | |
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 4/8/2004 6:48 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Wahoo
Its not as simple as little purple fibs...
Have you ever observed an intense court battle. When someone makes a false statement, the burden of proof that the statement is false is on the opposing side. That requires concrete evidence. Not always is lying so difficult.
Would that not be more work (snowballing) for both parties by adding perjury to the case? | | Back to Top | | |
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Wahoo
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| Posted 4/8/2004 6:57 AM (GMT -6) | | | I'm saying that if someone wants to tell a lie, and decieve, that the amount of effort it takes to do that is nil in comparison to that of those who want to substantiate a truth. When you apply for credit, it is much harder these days to provide the needed credibility. Why? Becuase earlier some were able to get away with lying about their credit. Take a look at the life of Frank Abignale. The government has to pay millions in payrolls and research to discredit the LIES of frauds. And that cost gets passed on to honest people who tell the truth. It is a food-chain where liars are have the easy end and the honest ones have to do the work of countering the lies. | | Back to Top | | |
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 4/8/2004 7:48 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Wahoo
I'm saying that if someone wants to tell a lie, and decieve, that the amount of effort it takes to do that is nil in comparison to that of those who want to substantiate a truth. When you apply for credit, it is much harder these days to provide the needed credibility. Why? Becuase earlier some were able to get away with lying about their credit. Take a look at the life of Frank Abignale. The government has to pay millions in payrolls and research to discredit the LIES of frauds. And that cost gets passed on to honest people who tell the truth. It is a food-chain where liars are have the easy end and the honest ones have to do the work of countering the lies.
Good point Wahoo.
The minority sure can wreck it for the majority, in so many ways, with lies that stain the truth.
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Wahoo
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| Posted 4/8/2004 8:25 AM (GMT -6) | | When it comes down to the eternal consequences for lying then ultimately its worse for the liar. But when it comes to raw effort of accomplishing deeds with lies or with the truth, then the struggle lies with telling the truth. At best the burden is shared by both, when a liar gets exposed and pays the consequences. But the truthful have had to defend thier truth and reep the consequences of the lie as well.
As for the case of this article and the media in general, this columnist has reparted something that is not proven but states it as a metter of fact. It happens all the time. But when honest reporters try and tell the truth and it offends, they are branded liars and lose credibility. And it only takes one lie to start the snowball of false ideas based on bias instead of truth.
I think its important for readers to be able to discern the bias in media. Television is the worst. Watch some commercials and you wonder why its so important that we buy most of the crap that we do. Because they suggest that we need lustrous hair, or whiter teeth. Do we really need this crap?
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 4/8/2004 8:48 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Wahoo
When it comes down to the eternal consequences for lying then ultimately its worse for the liar. But when it comes to raw effort of accomplishing deeds with lies or with the truth, then the struggle lies with telling the truth. At best the burden is shared by both, when a liar gets exposed and pays the consequences. But the truthful have had to defend thier truth and reep the consequences of the lie as well.
As for the case of this article and the media in general, this columnist has reparted something that is not proven but states it as a metter of fact. It happens all the time. But when honest reporters try and tell the truth and it offends, they are branded liars and lose credibility. And it only takes one lie to start the snowball of false ideas based on bias instead of truth.
I think its important for readers to be able to discern the bias in media. Television is the worst. Watch some commercials and you wonder why its so important that we buy most of the crap that we do. Because they suggest that we need lustrous hair, or whiter teeth. Do we really need this crap?
Wahoo
Insurance fraud, politics, etc... the list goes on and on. But before we become overwhelmed into a state of depression, let us always remember, in the end, the Truth will prevail. | | Back to Top | | |
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Wahoo
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| Posted 4/8/2004 9:18 AM (GMT -6) | | Thanks Sparknheart,
It just feels good to get that off my chest. I've quit watching the news for lent and its been refreshing. The world will keep on turning and people are going to be freekin out about something different tomorrow. This is just one great application of the hope that I have. | | Back to Top | | |
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