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Gerry Attrick
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| Posted 7/21/2004 3:37 AM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
Originally posted by trey dogg
Ok, are they pretty much in book form or would they have them on hand?
Trey Dogg,
Their essays are in books and journals. Do a quick search in your library's data base with each of the author's names. I would think you would find them easily.
Dr. Helseth is one of the editors of Beyond the Bounds, and one of his essays is in the book. Dr. Caneday also has an essay in the book. Dr. Huffman is an editor of God Under Fire. Their other essays are available in theological journals that should be available in your college's library.
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Mayflower
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| Posted 7/21/2004 6:56 AM (GMT -6) | | .
The rest of the story is that these authors are all "Piper cubs" and are very biased in their views.
All are outspoken opponents of the Open View.
By the way, Gerry. Why are you here??
Peace & blessings,
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Gerry Attrick wrote: quote:
Trey Dogg,
Their essays are in books and journals. Do a quick search in your library's data base with each of the author's names. I would think you would find them easily.
Dr. Helseth is one of the editors of Beyond the Bounds, and one of his essays is in the book. Dr. Caneday also has an essay in the book. Dr. Huffman is an editor of God Under Fire. Their other essays are available in theological journals that should be available in your college's library.
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Gerry Attrick also wrote:
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...Oops! I had forgotten about Dr. Caneday. I didn't mean to slight him.
Drs. Helseth and Huffman come to mind more quickly because both edited books on the subject.
You should read the many essays they have all written. They are all careful thinkers and writers and well respected by other evangelical scholars. Investigate the subject thoroughly. Let your beliefs go only where Scripture leads.
Gerry
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Gerry Attrick
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| Posted 7/30/2004 8:27 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Mayflower
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The rest of the story is that these authors are all "Piper cubs" and are very biased in their views.
All are outspoken opponents of the Open View.
By the way, Gerry. Why are you here??
Peace & blessings,
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Mayflower,
I've already stated why I periodically read these pages. Return to an earlier note for that.
Would it be reasonable for me to suppose that you understand that your chosen designation for Drs. Helseth, Huffman, and Caneday is insulting, demeaning, and intended to belittle them? Any reasonable reading of the many essays on open theism that the three of them have written makes it quite obvious that they are critical thinkers who stand on their own. John Piper holds absolutely no sway over them. If you have actually read their essays you could hardly dismiss their arguments with such an ad hominem assertion.
Should non-open theists call Drs. Boyd, Sanders, and Pinnock "Rice paddies"? After all, all three of them transparently owe much to Richard Rice. This is obvious because they cite and quote Richard Rice in their own writings. In fact, they adopted the designation "open theism" from Richard Rice.
Your derogatory and insulting comment, as if any non-open theist were simply a puppet manipulated by John Piper insults men of brilliant minds by foolishly assuming that John Piper has cultic powers over everyone else who critically assesses open theism. The three men mentioned above have all left John Piper in the dust in terms of critical assessment of open theism.
Small minds hurl cheap comments such as yours.
Good bye!
Gerry
P.S. Signing off as you do (Peace & Blessings) hardly redeems you from the insulting way you have dismissed three men who are obviously gifted by God and given to the church as teachers. | | Back to Top | | |
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 8/3/2004 10:47 AM (GMT -6) | | | | |
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Mayflower
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| Posted 8/4/2004 2:48 PM (GMT -6) | | .
Greetings, Sparknheart;
In Minnesota language;
"You're a hoot!"
Peace & blessings,
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Mayflower
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| Posted 8/4/2004 3:08 PM (GMT -6) | | .
Gerry Attrick:
I did not intend to offend you.
HINT: If you find "Piper cub" objectionable,
you might be more content with the subject-matter at the
Edgren Fellowship website. (Or, did they disband?).
Peace and blessings,
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P.S.
F.Y.I.: This website does endorse the Open View.
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Gerry Attrick
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| Posted 8/4/2004 5:05 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Mayflower
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Gerry Attrick:
I did not intend to offend you.
HINT: If you find "Piper cub" objectionable,
you might be more content with the subject-matter at the
Edgren Fellowship website. (Or, did they disband?).
Peace and blessings,
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P.S.
F.Y.I.: This website does endorse the Open View.
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Mayflower,
Offend me? That's hardly the issue. Why should I be offended? The issue is your unkind dismissal of men who have labored hard and long in providing well-reasoned biblical critiques of open theism. Incredible as it may be to you, John Piper is a mere man who holds no sway over biblical scholars whose critiques of open theism are significantly more cogent and potent than his have been.
You wrote, "P.S. F.Y.I.: This website does endorse the Open View." No kidding! You didn't honestly think I did not know this. Did you?
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Mayflower
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| Posted 8/4/2004 5:58 PM (GMT -6) | | .
Gerry Attrick:
You appear to be trying to make "much ado" over nothing.
Seriously, if it is not defunct -- you may want to explore the
EDGREN FELLOWSHIP Discussion Board.
I honestly think that you will find the posts on that board more to your liking.
Peace & blessings,
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Gerry Attrick wrote:
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Mayflower,
Offend me? That's hardly the issue. Why should I be offended? The issue is your unkind dismissal of men who have labored hard and long in providing well-reasoned biblical critiques of open theism. Incredible as it may be to you, John Piper is a mere man who holds no sway over biblical scholars whose critiques of open theism are significantly more cogent and potent than his have been.
You wrote, "P.S. F.Y.I.: This website does endorse the Open View." No kidding! You didn't honestly think I did not know this. Did you?
Gerry
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Tastic
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| Posted 8/5/2004 12:55 AM (GMT -6) | | Well I came to meet the TIGRESS, I like her posts, and the chocolate obsession.. | | Back to Top | | |
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Gerry Attrick
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| Posted 8/5/2004 5:25 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Mayflower
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Gerry Attrick:
You appear to be trying to make "much ado" over nothing.
Seriously, if it is not defunct -- you may want to explore the
EDGREN FELLOWSHIP Discussion Board.
I honestly think that you will find the posts on that board more to your liking.
Peace & blessings,
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Mayflower,
Grrrr! No, I haven't made "much ado" about nothing. But, since you cannot seem to grasp how demeaning your "Piper cubs" label is, there is nothing more to say to you.
I searched for an Edgren Fellowship discussion board but found only an Edgren Fellowship web site. The following interview from their web site may be of interest to you (www.edgren.org/html/caneday_interview.htm), an interview with one who is definitely not a "Piper cub."
Bye!
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Mayflower
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| Posted 8/5/2004 7:14 AM (GMT -6) | | .
Gerry Attrick:
It's unfortunate that the EDGREN FELLOWSHIP Discussion Board
does indeed appear to be defunct. (i.e., It's possible that you would have appreciated the "solid" Calvinist foundation at that board).
I do agree that you and I do not seem to share the same philosophy regarding Open Theism.
Good luck in your search for a discussion board that is more compatible with your theological views.
Good Bye.
Peace & blessings,
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Gerry Attrick wrote:
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Mayflower,
.... there is nothing more to say to you.
Bye!
Gerry
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Gerry Attrick
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| Posted 8/5/2004 8:35 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by rossfadeinout
Gerry Attrick,
I hope that you are not planning on leaving the board. Unlike Mayflower, I believe that most of us here on the board welcome those who may not be Open Theist. I have found your discussion on this thread as well as others to be conducted with clarity and understanding.
In the interview with Dr. Canaday he seems to make some good critiques of Open Theism (that being said by someone with Open Theism leanings) Definitely more competent than Piper as you have said.
Mayflower, isn't the point of a discussion board to have people with different viewpoints discuss?
Hope you'll be back Gerry Attrick....
Ross
Ross,
Thanks for your kindness. You're right. Discussion boards reduce to silliness if contrary views are banished.
Mayflower's offensiveness will not drive me away from the board. I'm not here either to persuade anyone against open theism or to find comradery. As I stated early in this thread, I visit these discussions to keep current on the ideas open theists are advocating and arguing. In other words, because open theism continues to develop and undergo change, I want to keep informed.
Thanks again, Ross.
Gerry
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 8/5/2004 9:18 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by rossfadeinout
Gerry Attrick,
I hope that you are not planning on leaving the board.
Hope you'll be back Gerry Attrick....
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 8/5/2004 10:30 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by moon_river_j
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Originally posted by sparknheart
Spark,
I guess occasional intensity is inevitable on this board - and I appreciate it when someone breaks in with some lightheartedness from time to time.
Can you tell me how to send this little card of yours to a friend? I have a mac, and the 'ol copy/paste thing does not work. I still haven't figured out how to get pics with a mac.
Helpless (well, not quite but...)
God Bless,
Jo-Anne
You're welcome. 
Try and right click on the image and save it to your mac. If that don't work let me know, I can e-mail it to you.
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1Heart
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| Posted 8/5/2004 10:32 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by rossfadeinout
Gerry Attrick,
I hope that you are not planning on leaving the board. Unlike Mayflower, I believe that most of us here on the board welcome those who may not be Open Theist.
Alright, I confess - I haven't been following this thread closely, so forgive me if I'm a bit "off base" here. But I do have something to add to this discussion. I know that tensions sometimes appear to run high on the board. It is a known fact that in this kind of communication, misunderstandings can result (probably more like abound).
I've always found Mayflower to be reasonable, and definitely not offensive. Sometimes we are unaware that something we might consider to be very reasonable in discussion - will affect, or even offend someone else. I know it is not a personal offense, because as it is is said so often, "This board is about ideas - not people." But, it's amazing how defensive we (myself included) can become about something that we hold to, or believe in -so passionately. I think that may even be a very good thing - as long as we can remember that grace is even more important than ideas. People are more important than ideas IMHO.
How we relate to each other on this board is a testimony of the love of Christ - or should be. I have appreciated both of your posts; your insights...
I've only been an "open theist" for a little more than two years now, and am still learning. One thing is certain though - I would far sooner listen to someone whose views were different than mine, if I see grace evident in how they communicate - than listen to someone who believes exactly as I do, but communicates it in a less than gracious manner. I have learned a great deal from participating on this board. It has challenged me in many ways, and continues to do so - that is why I'm here; that, and to be an encouragement wherever possible.
God Bless,
Jo-Anne
 (The "Peace" Penguin)
"Sometimes all we can do is go back to the character of God, and drop anchor there."
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 8/5/2004 10:52 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by moon_river_j
It has challenged me in many ways, and continues to do so - that is why I'm here; that, and to be an encouragement wherever possible.
(The "Peace" Penguin)
Thanks for the encouragement, Moon.
I think I can safely say, I will now refrain from kicking my dog when I get home. 
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Mayflower
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| Posted 8/5/2004 11:57 AM (GMT -6) | | .
Gerry Attrick:
To reiterate -- 'You appear to be trying to make "much ado" over nothing.'
Why is that??
Peace & blessings,
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Gerry Attrick
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| Posted 8/6/2004 9:38 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by sometimesisquint
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Originally posted by Gerry Attrick
Mayflower's offensiveness will not drive me away from the board.
I thought you weren't offended...
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Originally posted by Gerry Attrick
Offend me? That's hardly the issue. Why should I be offended?
Perhaps, just a teeny bit, it is the issue? Eh? 
squint,
I did not contradict myself. When I said "Offend me? That's hardly the issue. Why should I be offended?" I was speaking about Mayflower's disgusting caricature of three scholarly non-open theists as "Piper cubs." When I said "Mayflower's offensiveness will not drive me away from the board." I was referring to the annoying and offensive manner Mayflower had adopted toward me because I called upon him to reconsider his miscaricaturizing of the three scholars. Instead of addressing the issue of his mean-spirited dismissal of the three scholars, Mayflower made me the issue. He turned his condescending and patronizing attitude toward me.
So, no, I did not take personal offense at Mayflower's original disparaging caricature of Drs. Helseth, Huffman, and Caneday. Furthermore, just because Mayflower adopts an offensive attitude hardly means that I take offense. I don't. I choose to ignore him.
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Mayflower
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| Posted 8/6/2004 12:18 PM (GMT -6) | | .
Greetings, sometimesisquint:
Thanks for your attempt at wry humor. I genuinely appreciate
your good intentions...
Peace & blessings,
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