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1Heart
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| Posted 7/17/2004 6:06 PM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
Originally posted by Sahid
I came to meet babes. Any babes out there?
There are a lot of "babes" out there looking for an honest gentleman, who is passionate about God; I'm sure one'll come your way someday Sahid! 
Sometimesisquint
I like that name! I had visited the web site a couple of years ago, to look at the counselling neuro...(can't recall the rest at the moment). It looked interesting. At the time I didn't realize there was a discussion board, and perhaps it wouldn't have been the right timing for me then anyway.
I know only one other open theist; a friend in our church, but for the most part it is "hush hush", or so it seems anyway. It is seen as colouring outside the lines. I have been told that my "theology" is wacked, and even that I am wacked. That view has softened somewhat, but then so has my zeal in sharing my exciting new journey with the Father. I have come to understand that the most important thing is what difference this makes in how I see the Father; how I walk with Him, and how I love others. THAT I can share now, gently, and with more grace than I could before.
The Open View has transformed my walk with God. That is something that is exciting to share, and when extended an invitation - I'll gladly share it.
The board has become a "safe place" for me to discuss, to explore further, to be challenged, and to encourage others. I want to be a blessing here, and have been blessed by so many on this board.
My not-so-short answer! Thanks for asking BTW & God Bless,
Jo-Anne
"Sometimes all we can do is go back to the character of God, and drop anchor there."
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Sahid
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| Posted 7/17/2004 10:09 PM (GMT -6) | | OK. I'm twenty-two, tall, pale, and handsome with flowing brown locks. I like music (Stavesacre, Deftones), theology (Baptist, Open Theist), politics (Libertarian, but not the weird kind), and long sits in the hot tub. I'm a dog person, not a cat person. I recently moved to beautiful, tenth-poorest-metro-area-in-the-United-States, Waco, Texas. I like the Red Sox, Chiefs, Pistons, and Jayhawks. And, so as not to totally ignore spark's question, I came to this forum because I used to be the only open theist I knew and was wondering if others existed. I'm looking for an intellegent, easy going female in her early twenties, perferably with dark hair.
How was that? I don't think I've ever written one of those before. Is that the kind of thing that "the man" comes along and deletes?
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1Heart
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| Posted 7/17/2004 10:58 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Sahid
OK. I'm twenty-two, tall, pale, and handsome with flowing brown locks. I like music (Stavesacre, Deftones), theology (Baptist, Open Theist), politics (Libertarian, but not the weird kind), and long sits in the hot tub. I'm a dog person, not a cat person. I recently moved to beautiful, tenth-poorest-metro-area-in-the-United-States, Waco, Texas. I like the Red Sox, Chiefs, Pistons, and Jayhawks. And, so as not to totally ignore spark's question, I came to this forum because I used to be the only open theist I knew and was wondering if others existed. I'm looking for an intellegent, easy going female in her early twenties, perferably with dark hair.
How was that? I don't think I've ever written one of those before. Is that the kind of thing that "the man" comes along and deletes?
Sahid,
You might get away with it just this once  ; your big debut! Thanks for the REAL reason you joined the board! 
All kidding aside (from another Baptist/Open Theist/Non-denominationalist...who better get to bed so she can get to church in the morning!)
Jo-Anne
"Sometimes all we can do is go back to the character of God, and drop anchor there."
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1Heart
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| Posted 7/18/2004 2:45 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by sometimesisquint
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Originally posted by sometimesisquint
I came because of the scintillating ( ) debate on OV and have seen a side of the non-Calvinist's I never thought possible (that's "possible" in either futuristic viewpoint).
Perhaps I should clarify further...I'm curious why/how you guys can spend so much time on here? Because of the magnificent grace of God I currently get paid to sit at a desk that also holds a computer with Internet access. So when I respond this many times in this many days, it's entirely because I'm passing the time during my shift.
Is this a common factor for all of you, or does this represent a hobby with benefits?
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I'm sorry this thread sounds like some Age/Sex/Location question posed by most chatroom regulars. I swear I'm not neurotic, starved for attention or thirteen.
I'm a stay-at-home mom, who also takes care of two special needs children, edits, writes, serves on a pastoral care team, sings on a worship team, goes to movies such as Spiderman in her spare time , and gets in on these threads, now and then. I don't respond as much as I used to, and it varies according to what else is happening in my/our/the church's life, but this board is a blessing to me. I guess it meets a need in my life. There is not another avenue for me to freely explore, discuss, and learn from others about the open view.
What appeals to you about the board? Are you an open theist, or en route to being an open theist?
I guess it is part of the journey I'm on, and I'm enjoying it. Sometimes, when I ask a question that I really am seeking answers for (such as the thread on narrative theology); I have to take the written response with me, look at it when I can, then reply when I have a few minutes.
And, my computer is in my kitchen! Oops...is that something burning? 
God bless,
Jo-Anne
"Sometimes all we can do is go back to the character of God, and drop anchor there."
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 7/19/2004 3:57 AM (GMT -6) | | I can not tell a lie, I came for the free food!  | | Back to Top | | |
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Gerry Attrick
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| Posted 7/19/2004 4:26 AM (GMT -6) | | I read these pages occasionally to keep current on how OVers are presently advancing their ideas. I post rarely, as my post count shows.
Trey Dogg (curious name  ) prompts a question or two.
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Originally posted by trey dogg
I will mention first off that I do not necessarily side with OV but find the perspective fascinating.
I came on here because I want to see how other people handle the OV practically, intellectually, and spiritually. At my school (Northwestern College) this view gets trampled constantly by faculty and students and many have no clue why they are trampling it. It bothers me that one student got a paper on the book of Daniel from an OV perspective literally thrown in his face by a prof and was handed a D.
So maybe I want to spite those who trample OV, maybe I am still interested in learning about it, maybe I want to have a rebuttal for those who speak of the flaws.
I realize that there are a few Northwestern Colleges. After checking your profile I found that you attend the one in Minnesota. Since this is the case, I have a question for you. As a geezer who has time, I keep up on my reading. So, I have read several essays on open theism by at least two of your professors. Have you read the several essays some of your professors have written concerning open theism? If you have, your characterization of how your professors have addressed open theism is less than accurate. As one who has read essays by two of your professors, I would have to say that your statement needs serious modification when you say, "At my school (Northwestern College) this view gets trampled constantly by faculty and students and many have no clue why they are trampling it." We who read the expanding literature on open theism recognize that at least two of your professors have written some superb essays and book critiques concerning open theism. They have hardly "trampled" open theism. (An image of disregard.) They have carefully analyzed it and assessed it. If you have not read their essays, don't you think that you should, especially if you really want to understand the issues concerning open theism? 
Do you think it is reasonable or right to repeat the claim of a fellow student that he got a "D" on a paper simply because he argued for an open theism view of Daniel? Did you first check with that student's professor to know the actual truth of the matter before repeating what is almost surely little more than the claim of an embittered student? I sincerely doubt that a professor would grade a paper based solely or even primarily on the view a student takes. (If any professor does, that professor should be reprimanded and disciplined.) Though obviously I do not know the situation (any better than you do), it is hardly reasonable to side with a student who makes such a claim. Students made similar complaints to one another when I was in college, too, a loooong time ago. They were baseless claims then, and I suspect that your friend's claim is baseless now. Most professors are too wise to grade papers down primarily or simply because the viewpoint argued does not agree with their own. Numerous other factors contribute to paper grading. Isn't it more reasonable to believe that the student argued his case poorly?
Are you serious when you say the paper was "literally thrown in his face by a prof"?  Somehow I get the sense that the whole report about the basis for the grade is as exaggerated as the reported method the professor used to deliver the paper back to the student. 
Gerry
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Mayflower
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| Posted 7/19/2004 7:11 AM (GMT -6) | | .
Greetings, Trey dogg:
You have been blessed with an open mind.
We're glad you're here!
Peace & blessings,
<><
(P.S. By the way - I like your name! What does it symbolize for you?).
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Trey dogg wrote: quote:
I will mention first off that I do not necessarily side with OV but find the perspective fascinating.
I came on here because I want to see how other people handle the OV practically, intellectually, and spiritually. At my school (Northwestern College) this view gets trampled constantly by faculty and students and many have no clue why they are trampling it. It bothers me that one student got a paper on the book of Daniel from an OV perspective literally thrown in his face by a prof and was handed a D.
So maybe I want to spite those who trample OV, maybe I am still interested in learning about it, maybe I want to have a rebuttal for those who speak of the flaws.
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quest for truth
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| Posted 7/19/2004 8:24 AM (GMT -6) | | Trey Doggquote:
I came on here because I want to see how other people handle the OV practically, intellectually, and spiritually.
I appreciate your open mind.
I do agree with the Gerry Attrick that unless you have seen the paper personally it's probably best not to make an assumption about the Prof's grading. Perhaps the person did a poor job or perhaps the Prof. is prejudice? Hard to say but if it bothers you it would be worth the investigation.
Sparknheartquote:
can not tell a lie, I came for the free food
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 7/19/2004 8:59 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by quest for truth
Sparknheartquote:
I can not tell a lie, I came for the free food
Ditto. I love the spiritual food we get fed on this board!
QFT,
We must have similar taste. I just wish they had an exercise program here.
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Truth Aficionado
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sometimesisquint
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| Posted 7/19/2004 10:24 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Gerry Attrick
I have read several essays on open theism by at least two of your professors. Have you read the several essays some of your professors have written concerning open theism? If you have, your characterization of how your professors have addressed open theism is less than accurate. As one who has read essays by two of your professors, I would have to say that your statement needs serious modification when you say, "At my school (Northwestern College) this view gets trampled constantly by faculty and students and many have no clue why they are trampling it." We who read the expanding literature on open theism recognize that at least two of your professors have written some superb essays and book critiques concerning open theism.
As I understand the faculty ratio at most universities, two does not an entire staff make. I didn't read Trey's remarks as less than factual. Having been a part of "at least two" universities myself, one a former Bible college, I would guess Dogg's claims show some merit.
Again, I can't speak for Northwestern, but evidently he can. I think I'd trust the word of a student at said school over someone who simply reads published work by "at least two" of the resident professors.
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I sincerely doubt that a professor would grade a paper based solely or even primarily on the view a student takes. (If any professor does, that professor should be reprimanded and disciplined.) Though obviously I do not know the situation (any better than you do), it is hardly reasonable to side with a student who makes such a claim. Students made similar complaints to one another when I was in college, too, a loooong time ago. They were baseless claims then, and I suspect that your friend's claim is baseless now.
It's not as far-fetched as you make it sound. In a perfect world, of course the professors at a respected University would allow freedom of thought, but as you said, it's been "a loooong time" since you were a part of the Educational system. My experiences have led me to believe that this notion is not so crazy-sounding.
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By the way, yours is a great username. Very funny.
"What's partner yoga?"
"It's when you're two with the universe."
-My Friend Keith
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Gerry Attrick
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| Posted 7/20/2004 12:41 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by trey dogg
Ok, need to set things more straight here...
As far as the "trampling" comments (and maybe trample was too strong a word), those were meant more for students that say "Oh, the open view is wrong!!!" without getting the big picture of it. Young Christian students can get like this about many issues without really knowing what they are talking about, even myself.
And the assignment that was thrown in the students' face was not necessarily literal. Justification for the professor's handing him a D was likely based off the thought that the student has "bad theology"... I'm positive the reasons go deeper than I described.
Professors that I'm guessing have written critiques may have either been Drs. Caneday, Huffman, or Helseth. I have only attended a short 30 min lecture by Dr. Huffman who addressed some logical issues of the open view. Otherwise I have not read anyone's critiques.
And yes, I've seen the paper and was not badly written... It was pretty good in my opinion.
My name is based off a nickname dubbed from high school and has since stuck.
Thanks for expanding on your earlier note. Oops! I had forgotten about Dr. Caneday. I didn't mean to slight him. Drs. Helseth and Huffman come to mind more quickly because both edited books on the subject.
You should read the many essays they have all written. They are all careful thinkers and writers and well respected by other evangelical scholars. Investigate the subject thoroughly. Let your beliefs go only where Scripture leads.
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