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mattykob
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| Posted 5/12/2003 10:03 AM (GMT -6) |   | The quote from Plato that shows up at the end of Doc's messages is interesting: "The responsibility is with the chooser - God is blameless." I can see the negative connotations that implies - if a person chooses to sin, God is blameless for the consequences. Is that a one-meaning-only quotation? Are there any positive connotations to it?
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DLW
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| Posted 5/12/2003 10:19 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
The quote from Plato that shows up at the end of Doc's messages is interesting: "The responsibility is with the chooser - God is blameless." I can see the negative connotations that implies - if a person chooses to sin, God is blameless for the consequences. Is that a one-meaning-only quotation? Are there any positive connotations to it?
God loves us. When we are hurt because of other's sin, it isn't God's fault so we shouldn't end our relationships with God because of the reality of sin in this world. We should just abide in God's love. 
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John Earp
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| Posted 5/12/2003 7:51 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
The quote from Plato that shows up at the end of Doc's messages is interesting: "The responsibility is with the chooser - God is blameless." I can see the negative connotations that implies - if a person chooses to sin, God is blameless for the consequences. Is that a one-meaning-only quotation? Are there any positive connotations to it?
Ummm...I guess I'm having trouble seeing what benefit there possibly could be to shifting the blame to God for one's own act.
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
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mattykob
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| Posted 5/13/2003 5:44 AM (GMT -6) | | Not what I meant. I'd have to be an awfully foolish person to blame God for the sins I commit.
My curiosity was sparked by the quote because it seems gloomy to me. "The responsibility is with the chooser - God is blameless," fine. I choose to sin, I can't blame God. That's fundamental to me. God doesn't cause anyone to sin. However, and maybe my brain synapses are making me think something other than the truth of this statement, it seems to me that on the other side of the spectrum, if all the blame for sin lies on the individual, does all the credit for good works lie with the individual also? That doesn't seem right to me. Maybe I'm making a sylogism where one doesn't belong.
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John Earp
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| Posted 5/13/2003 7:42 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
However, and maybe my brain synapses are making me think something other than the truth of this statement, it seems to me that on the other side of the spectrum, if all the blame for sin lies on the individual, does all the credit for good works lie with the individual also? That doesn't seem right to me. Maybe I'm making a sylogism where one doesn't belong.
Okay. I think I hear what you're saying. My answer would be a qualified "yes," with the qualifier being that I would substitute "credit for good works" with "responsibility for good works." That is, it is always our Christian obligation to do good, but when we practice righteousness we are merely and only doing what we should be doing anyway, and therefore we deserve no "extra credit" or merit at all.
Luke 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.
Of course, as Christians we should always remember that any good we may do is only as a result of the Holy Spirit's influence in our lives. The fact that we yield to His will does not accrue merit towards our accounts. All glory goes to God for leading us in the path of righteousness.
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
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mattykob
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| Posted 5/14/2003 3:40 AM (GMT -6) | | You pretty much put to words what I was feeling. Thank you.
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