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DLW
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| Posted 5/21/2003 11:50 AM (GMT -6) |   | I think it is important for CVM to set apart a forum for dealing strictly with the concrete manifestations of evil in our world and debating the wide gamut of possible ways to confront this evil.
I think the current name fails to set this forum apart for this purpose. One does not solve the problem of Crime. One does not solve the problem of Abortion. One does not solve how we relate to our Gov't and how it relates to the rest of the world through its int'l manipulations.
One tries the best they can to develop what the relevant facts surrounding the issues are and what we can and cannot change about the fallen world we live in and then disseminate them to others as much as possible. I think we need a forum dedicated to this particular form of advancing the Kingdom of God. That is why changing the title to "Let's Confront the Reality of Evil" will be instrumental for setting apart this forum for the above described purpose.
DLW
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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 5/21/2003 12:15 PM (GMT -6) | | DLW:
I think "Confronting the Reality of Evil" would be fine if you're trying to come up with ways to combat evil.
But the 'Problem of Evil" is a philosophical argument against the existence of God. There's the evidential problem, and the logical problem. The problem IS - how is the God of the Bible compatible w/ the presence of evil in the universe?
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DLW
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| Posted 5/21/2003 12:19 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
DLW:
I think "Confronting the Reality of Evil" would be fine if you're trying to come up with ways to combat evil.
But the 'Problem of Evil" is a philosophical argument against the existence of God. There's the evidential problem, and the logical problem. The problem IS - how is the God of the Bible compatible w/ the presence of evil in the universe?
People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.
--Søren Kierkegaard
My point exactly. We do not consider philosophical arguments about how the God of the Bible is compatible with the presence of evil in the forum in question.
These are good questions, but they can be dealt with within the forum on general questions about theology or the debate over OVT. OVT does try to provide a solution to problem of evil...
dlw
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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 5/21/2003 12:45 PM (GMT -6) | | | You're right! That's totally funny b/c I never even noticed it. I just saw 'problem of evil" and assumed it was talking about the philosophical problem. Guess I'm not too observant | | Back to Top | | |
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DLW
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| Posted 5/21/2003 12:47 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
You're right! That's totally funny b/c I never even noticed it. I just saw 'problem of evil" and assumed it was talking about the philosophical problem. Guess I'm not too observant
You said it, I didn't.
dlw
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honorman
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| Posted 5/21/2003 7:22 PM (GMT -6) | | I think you should put more effort into the topic and less into this "obsession with having a new catagory."
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adiaphora
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| Posted 5/21/2003 8:39 PM (GMT -6) | | DLW, the title was a somewhat facetious play on the idiomatic use of the word problem. Obviously not everyone finds it cute. Nevertheless, I don't see how the title precludes dealing with concrete manifestations of evil. We can “solve” [insert “confront” if you like] the problem starfish-style—one concrete manifestation of evil at a time.
I will not address your request again.
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DLW
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| Posted 5/22/2003 12:56 PM (GMT -6) | | ps,
this Sunday is my birthday.
How about a name-change of a forum as a present from the CVM administrator-peoples?
I promise I'll be a centered on the center OVTheist from then on...
dlw
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Tom
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| Posted 5/22/2003 1:48 PM (GMT -6) | | DLW: How about a name-change of a forum as a present from the CVM administrator-peoples?
Tom: Dude, you are one desperate guy. I think the best adiaphora can do for your birthday is find a picture of a birthday cake with candles on it to post.
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DLW
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| Posted 5/22/2003 2:40 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
DLW: How about a name-change of a forum as a present from the CVM administrator-peoples?
Tom: Dude, you are one desperate guy. I think the best adiaphora can do for your birthday is find a picture of a birthday cake with candles on it to post.
Tom
Well they could change it just for Sunday and then switch it back on Monday.
dlw
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Springs
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| Posted 5/22/2003 4:16 PM (GMT -6) | | You have to give him points for perseverance.
DLW, I really can't see them changing the name. Maybe you should just lobby for an additional forum.
-S
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John Earp
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| Posted 5/22/2003 5:17 PM (GMT -6) | | DLW,
Are you a control freak or what? 
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
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Laika
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| Posted 5/22/2003 5:17 PM (GMT -6) | | DLW
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Well they could change it just for Sunday and then switch it back on Monday.
Happy Early Birthday. I won't be online Sunday.
Careful, we'll call the Fire Marshall.
Even though the skies are blue, don't they let the sunshine through?
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Electra
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| Posted 5/22/2003 6:31 PM (GMT -6) | | Hi dlw. I will be gone on Sunday too. But I hope you have a good birthday. Bust open a pinata. Blow out some candles. Make a wish—but whatever you do, don’t tell anyone what you wish for. Especially if it has to do with changing the name of this forum.  Seriously, have a nice birthday.
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DLW
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| Posted 5/23/2003 8:35 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
DLW,
Are you a control freak or what?
I am a political activist and a habitual manipulator. I also believe that platonic exercises in arithmetic/algebra and the extent and depth of evil in our world have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
Lets solve the math problems on this forum and dedicate the other forum to social-theoretical analysis of the manifestations of evil and what venues we have available to us to confront it.
ps, thanks for the happy birthdays. I really am a pie-person, not a cake-person though(Just being a control freak!).
dlw
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Mayflower
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Springs
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| Posted 5/25/2003 6:22 PM (GMT -6) | | HappyBirthday!DLW
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DLW
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| Posted 5/26/2003 8:10 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Happy Birthday, DLW!
Thankyou so very much. I went to see MR a third time last night and all the others I was with didn't understand it. They thought the movie was a joke...
dlw
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