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BBBCanada
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Posted 5/14/2003 6:05 AM (GMT -6)

Me too might-be-don. I kinda think about Harrison Ford when he peeped in on that Amish chick taking a sponge bath in "Witness." Which makes me wonder if there was more to that scene linking the innocence and simplicity of the Amish way of life represented by her nakedness and dark complex life of them thar 20th century city dwellers.

Brandon
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Laika
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Posted 5/14/2003 6:08 AM (GMT -6)

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What if the writer of II Samuel had access to 70mm motion picture film and was telling the story of David and Bathsheba,

The ability to illustrate the story was available back then as well. I think even if 70mm film with Dobly® was available, the author still would have written about it.

Edited by - Laika on 05/14/2003 11:09:06 AM

Tigress
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Posted 5/14/2003 6:08 AM (GMT -6)

In response to BBB Canada's (what the heck does that stand for anyway?) most recent post:

It's interesting that so many Christians spend so much time trying to justify the use and viewing of a medium which in and of itself causes hurt and pain to so many people. I have here clearly in all of my posts how hurt I've been because of all the portrayals of women in the media (or arts as some prefer to say) and even though the hurting of people's feelings and self-confidence is very much a sin, people, even Christians, want to simply dismiss that as trivial when compared to the so-called higher purpose of reaching out to the world through the very means causing the hurt. It IS important to reach out to the world, but Jesus never intended to use means that hurt anyone.

I'm not the only female who's been harmed by these media images, either. All of the young girls AND grown women who starve themselves and over-exercise and take pills and get unnecessary plastic cosmetic surgery can testify to that. And even if females don't go to these lengths to alter themselves physically, there's still the emotional damage that they're dealing with inside. They often struggle with the same kinds of anxieties and fears and lack of self-esteem as I've here expressed. And all of these things are perpetuated by the images in the media - that Christians think is so necessary to participate in to share the Gospel to the world!

The higher purpose should be to reach people by affirming their beauty and worth in God's sight. And the media simply does not do that whenever it puts up these false and degrading images of women AND men.

Having said all this, I'm not trying to push absolute boycotting of movies. I went through a 5-year period of self-imposed legalism when I never watched secular movies at all, and I don't want to go through that again. Legalism caused me to feel and be farther away from Jesus - not closer. But I will say that once I started watching secular movies again after having not watched them for so long, my spiritual and emotional senses were so refined and acute, that the slightest amount of cursing, violence or sexual content made me cringe inside my spirit - which is a good thing! That never really happened before I took that "media hiatus," if you will.

I guess I just want people, especially men, to be aware that much of what you see in films is a lie and very damaging to people's (especially women's) emotional and spiritual health. It's also damaging to the viewer. Please be sensitive to the feelings of women and people in general before condemning our "poo-pooing" of the media as puritanical and fundamenalist. Thank you.

Tigress

The Angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear Him, and He delivers them.
-Psalm 34:7

S.B.G.
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Posted 5/14/2003 6:12 AM (GMT -6)

MBD,
So in the process of telling us how David's lust lead to even greater sins, Samuel would provoke others to lust themselves? I don't think so.
How about option D) Show her bathing, but only show her bare shoulders/ back to get the point across.

The worst part of David's sin was his discontent even though he already had wives. Not only was he unfaithful to his wives, but he took someone elses. (Did she even have a say in this?) Bathsheba's husband was of such noble character that he wouldn't even be intimate with her when the other men couldn't be with their wives. Chances are Bathsheba loved her husband.

What I see here is covetousness leading to lust, lust leading to control and control leading to murder. VERY ugly. A GOOD artist would attempt to portray the depth of ALL of David's emotions--- his unsatisfying relationship with Michal, the stress of battle, the pride creeping in. THAT is the real story, not that Bathsheba was just so dang sexy that David HAD to have her. Surely, with all the women at his disposal, David saw women just as lovely---but this one was taken, and David couldn't be denied.

GEEZ!! Some men will use any excuse to make sure naked woman are paraded in front of them! I'm not buying it.

S.B.G.

To understand and to be understood is bliss.

Edited by - S.B.G. on 05/14/2003 11:16:12 AM

DLW
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Posted 5/14/2003 6:39 AM (GMT -6)

A friend of mine wrote the following...

I am interested in seeing how all this plays out over the next two
films. I am particularly interested in how sexuality comes into this
film, not just for prurient reasons, but because I think it will
potentially be the one theme explored in this film that was notably
absent from the first movie. Sex is the one human trait that marks us
as separate from the machines, and it is interesting to note that the
one aspect of our humanity the machines most control is our
reproduction. To me, this suggests a subtextual message that the
further we move into the area of cloning and control over our own
reproduction, the less human we become. Whether that message was
intended by the Wachovski bros. I don't know. I would point out,
though, that natural born humans seem to be proud of their
status--witness Tank and his brother in the original film. I also enjoy
thinking about the implications of the characters who are former
"batteries," like Morpheus. Morpheus, Neo, Trinity all retain vestigial
machine parts, such as the sockets in the back of their heads. The
implication is that, again, as we move farther from our human impulses,
such as reproduction, and into a virtual or electronic existence, we
become, in effect, part machine. Star Wars plays on this theme, too, in the android/human Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker.

dlw

Prayer from Kenya

From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
Lord Deliver Me.

Tigress
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Posted 5/14/2003 6:43 AM (GMT -6)

DLW,
Showing a sex scene isn't necessary for this. Just showing a couple in bed (UNDER THE COVERS) after the fact would still convey this very human activity.

Tigress

The Angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear Him, and He delivers them.
-Psalm 34:7

might-be-don
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Posted 5/14/2003 7:05 AM (GMT -6)

S.B.G. says:

quote:
GEEZ!! Some men will use any excuse to make sure naked woman are paraded in front of them! I'm not buying it.

Got me! I enjoy looking at naked women. They don't even have to be 'perfect' ones. I'm not bothered by it at all: be it a full color, detailed photograph, a fuzzy polaroid, a topless beach in Miami, my wife in the shower , or a plump one from the great painters.

peace and love, don

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"No Rules, just Right" Outback Steakhouse

S.B.G.
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Posted 5/14/2003 7:13 AM (GMT -6)

1Timothy 5:2 "Treat...older women as mothers and younger women as sisters, with absolute purity."

Colossians 3:2 "set your minds on things above, not on earthly things." verse 5, "Put to death sexually immorality, impurity and lust."

Proverbs "Like a gold ring in a pigs snout is a beautiful woman who lacks descretion."

Proverbs 5:18-20 "...rejoice in the wife of your youth...may you ever be captivated by her love...Why be captivated by an adultress...why embrace the bosom of another man's wife?"

Proverbs 5:15-17 "drink water from your own cistern (your wife)...let them be yours alone, never to be shared with strangers."

Men have fallen for the lie that the "perfect" woman is out there somewhere, so no matter how attractive his wife is, he keeps looking, so he doesn't "miss her". If men could be content and rejoice in the woman who belongs to him, who loves him, who has been given to him, he would have peace and joy. A wandering eye will never be satisfied. It will only be quenched until the next woman comes along.

Sexual desires are so powerful because they stem from need, like sleeping and eating. The strength of the need is what enables satan to pervert it and skew it. If your mom was naked in a movie, would you still be all for it? If your little sister was in an orgy scene would you invite your buddies to watch it? What if your wife was the actress Harrison Ford was peaking at?

How come none of you guys have responded to LDR"s post. Where are the men who actually savor their wives and don't need someone elses nudity in their entertainment?

S.B.G.

MBD---I don't know what to say.

To understand and to be understood is bliss.

Edited by - S.B.G. on 05/14/2003 12:16:02 PM

Laika
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Posted 5/14/2003 7:23 AM (GMT -6)

SBG wonders

quote:

How come none of you guys have responded to LDR"s post. Where are the men who actually savor their wives and don't need someone elses nudity in their entertainment?

Respond to what? I don't watch movies, I don't have the time or inclination. Hollywood forgot how to make movies about 40 years ago, imho.

As for savoring LDR's wife, well, I haven't met her yet.

OH, my wife. Yes, I like my wife. Any other woman I see, I compare her to my wife and the other woman always suffers by comparison.

Even though the skies are blue, don't they let the sunshine through?

Edited by - Laika on 05/14/2003 12:26:13 PM

S.B.G.
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Posted 5/14/2003 7:30 AM (GMT -6)

quote:

SBG wonders
[quote]
How come none of you guys have responded to LDR"s post. Where are the men who actually savor their wives and don't need someone elses nudity in their entertainment?

S.B.G.

To understand and to be understood is bliss.

Edited by - S.B.G. on 05/14/2003 12:37:10 PM

Laika
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Posted 5/14/2003 7:30 AM (GMT -6)

quote:

Proverbs "Like a gold ring in a pigs snout is a beautiful woman who lacks descretion."

When my eldest daughter was young, I'd take her to visit the pigs at the ag campus. She grew up to adore pigs. This verse from proverbs she would have trouble understanding.

Even though the skies are blue, don't they let the sunshine through?

Tigress
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Posted 5/14/2003 7:33 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
How come none of you guys have responded to LDR"s post. Where are the men who actually savor their wives and don't need someone elses nudity in their entertainment?

See? This is what I'm talking about. A lot of men, unfortunately, think it's okay to enjoy looking at any and all naked women. This is not right and not fair to their wives or future wives. It's like they don't even care about our feelings and how much it hurts us. It's like they think it doesn't matter. If you're not able to be content with one woman only, you NEVER will be and therefore you're not fit for marriage. So you might as well give up hope of ever having sex because God only allows sex in marriage.

For those of you men who are married and think it's okay to enjoy seeing naked woman other than your own wives, start thinking like Jesus! He would NEVER hurt someone like that!

Tigress

The Angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear Him, and He delivers them.
-Psalm 34:7

S.B.G.
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Posted 5/14/2003 7:52 AM (GMT -6)

OH, my wife. Yes, I like my wife. Any other woman I see, I compare her to my wife and the other woman always suffers by comparison.

NOW YOU'RE TALKIN'!!!!

Way to go Laika!

S.B.G.

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DLW
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Posted 5/14/2003 9:13 AM (GMT -6)

mixed reviews for Matrix movie...

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/14/sprj.cas03.review.matrix/index.html

Prayer from Kenya

From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
Lord Deliver Me.

S.B.G.
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Posted 5/14/2003 10:12 AM (GMT -6)

saw the trailers before Anger Management (FUNNY!) and, sadly, it looks like a movie version of a video game. I don't share BJS' anticipation. I'm expecting nothing (better surprised than disappointed, right?).
Greg

Sounds like Greg was right. (AGAIN)

I read a review in the Star Tribune this morning that said the same thing; more action, less substance. I overlooked the action and gross stuff in the first movie because I was so fascinated with the spiritual implications!

Between the video game comparisons, the overtly sexual characters/scenarios, and the lack of Spiritual depth, I think I'll pass on this one.

S.B.G.

To understand and to be understood is bliss.

Seesaw
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Posted 5/14/2003 1:46 PM (GMT -6)

Tigress & SBG- everything you are saying is so right on. I totally understand your frustration and insight. Thanks for sharing those verses as well SBG.

I also enjoyed reading LDR's posts. There are some men who are so devoted to their wives no matter what- that is, to me, true love and commitment. A godly, faithful man stands out in this world because it seems that so many men are not godly or faithful- although I think the media really exagerates a man's weaknesses and gives men a "bum rap" making them all look lazy, weak, and sex-crazed. I'm certain its not a true reflection of all the men out there although I know there are alot of men like that.

Tigress, there's a book of love letters from R.Reagan to his wife called, "I Love You, Ronnie." He never ceased to lavish love upoon her, even when they were older and things were tough. It is very sweet and touching. If you get a chance, you should get it.

It seems like we are surrounded with so many images from Hollywood in which most everyone is beautiful, sexy, and rich as well. We are given the message that this equates with happiness and love. All one has to do is watch the "Bachelor" shows. All the girls are thin and very fashionable. One should not fault anyone for being thin, beautiful, or rich (sometimes there can be enmity for a beautiful person simply because they are beautiful, or rich or thin. There are many thin, beautiful, and rich people who are great people! Of course there are those who aren't as well, but we need to get to know the person first and not assume they are a "snob" or something because of their appearance), but unfortunately, we receive the message that to be old or overweight or average looking is undesirable or unsuccessful.

I hope no one saw the show "Are you Hot?" but if you did, it was all about looks and choosing the "hottest" person based on their body and face. I saw a couple of them while on the treadmill at the gym and it was probably the most shallow thing I've ever seen especially when they'd say, "I'm hot."

A woman knows the pressure to be beautiful. All you have to do is look at the magazine rack next to the checkout counter at the grocery store! The grocery store! What do fashion magazines have to do with groceries? They are all covered with gorgeous women (women, not men) who've been airbrushed and perfected by digital computer imaging.

Men age, but even old, bald, and overweight men manage to marry young, sexy women. It even seems to be "in style" nowadays- a 50-60 year old man marrying a young, sexy woman. What message does this send? Men desire young, sexy, thin, gorgeous women but a woman can have any shape of man. Although, actually, I think men feel pressure to be rich.

"Charm is deceitful and beauty is fleeting, but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised."

Again, I do know many really good, faithful men whose wives are not perfect beauties- and some of those men are gorgeous to top it off!

I know a man who is soooooooo good-looking yet so very godly and committed to his wife. His wife is not a knock-out nor is she thin. She has a somewhat athletic but stocky type build and average in her appearance. But he adores her. She has diabetes and everyone in their circle knows that he gets up at a certain late hour each night to give her insulin shots so she can sleep. Everyone knows the story because everyone loves to tell it! (They work at a camp so she lives in tennis shoes and shorts- not glamorous evening gowns!) A faithful man is a true reflection of God's love. The bridegroom who loves the bride even if the bride ages or gains weight is a testimony to the world that is probably more powerful than many testimonies.

I hope, Tigress, that God will bring a man like that your way!

p.s. I really don't believe it'd be necessary for us to see Bathsheba nude!

Edited by - Seesaw on 05/14/2003 6:53:56 PM

Seesaw
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Posted 5/14/2003 2:12 PM (GMT -6)

Back to the Matrix-

Here is a review from Focus on the Family. http://www.family.org/pplace/pi/films/a0025958.html

Their reviews are very thorough. I didn't post every word of it thoughbecause it's long. I mostly copied comments about negative contents of the movie since that is what we are discussing. (There was alot more said both negative and some positive as far as its "positive aspects" which these reviews do for every movie they review.)

Interestingly, some junior high boys in my church youth group today were reading "The Giver" for school and didn't understand it. They compared it to "The Matrix" and they went on and on describing all the violent stuff with great enthusiasm. That is what impacted them- the violence.
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The Matrix Reloaded
• rated R
• distributed by Warner Bros.
• reviewed by Steven Isaac and Bob Smithouserng.

• Spiritual Content: Writing for Christianity Today, Frederica Mathewes-Green says the Christian themes in The Matrix are "so obvious that even nonbelievers can spot them across the room." She also calls it "the most overanalyzed movie since they invented Christian film critics."

It should also be noted that Zion is home to a pagan spirituality that manifests itself through a sexual orgy.

Neo, meanwhile, is about as flawed a savior as one can imagine. While Jesus withdrew from the multitudes to commune with His Father, Neo attempts to escape throngs of "worshippers" so that he can have sex with Trinity. He succumbs to various temptations. He’s easily deceived. He’s unsure of what his next steps should be. And he accomplishes his mission through the use of lethal force.

Don’t let a mishmash of jargon and spiritual-sounding names and phrases cloud clear thinking. When push comes to shove, The Matrix and its sequels don’t boast enough purity of focus to allow them to be called Christian allegories. They’re not even analogous. Buddhism, Hinduism, Greek mythology, Alice in Wonderland, The Terminator and Superman get just as much screen time as "Christian" imagery, if not more. It’s as if the filmmakers know just enough about spiritual things to lace the script with engaging material, but not enough to make it all hang together. Co-star Monica Bellucci, who plays the sultry Persephone, got it right when she said the films are about "love, the philosophy of life, and a man who is looking inside for the power he has within himself. He’s looking for God inside, not outside, which is like Oriental and Indian philosophy in a way."

• Sexual Content: This is the area in which Reloaded proves the most different from its predecessor. When a "temple meeting" begins to turn into a pulsating orgy, Neo and Trinity escape to a bedroom where they have sex to the tempo of the wildly beating drums. Glimpses of rear and side nudity accompany their movements (rendered less explicit than they might have been by the dim light). Their rendezvous is intercut with images of the celebration going on in the cavern outside. Barely-clothed bodies sway and leap, rub and thrust as the torch-lit mob gives themselves to the tribal (Stomp-inspired) rhythms. In other scenes, Neo and Trinity kiss several times and wake up in bed together. Neo kisses Persephone to persuade her to help him. Persephone bares quite a bit of cleavage. Flashes of nudity are seen on a bank of TV screens.

• Violent Content: Heavily influenced by Japanese anime, this series is famous for its gracefully lethal action sequences. John Leo of U.S. News & World Report said of the first film, "Keanu Reeves’ slaughter of his enemies is filmed as a beautiful ballet. ... [It] makes gunning down people seem like a wonderfully satisfying hobby, as if a brilliant ad agency had just landed the violence account." Reloaded continues the ballet. Producer Joel Silver tried to downplay the violence by saying, "If you have kung-fu fights with kicks to the head, it automatically makes it [rated] R." But while kung-fu kicks to the head are frequent, they’re hardly the end of the story.

Elsewhere, people are stabbed, bludgeoned, flung against brick walls, blown up or impaled.

• Other Negative Elements: Morpheus and his crew take great pride in their reputation as rule-breakers. Faced with the "need" to defy a direct order from the Zion high command, they laugh it off as part of their nature ("The reason we all are here is because of our affinity for disobedience").

• Conclusion: Reloaded isn’t as much a story as a glorified video game. At each stage, heroes fight off attackers in order to finish that level and proceed to the next one.

Video game-inspired or not (R-rated or not), the Matrix films have vast teen appeal. In USA Today, columnist Jeffrey Wells suggests, "All the kids in the world suspect they’re living in some kind of plastic, affluent penal colony, and maybe half believe that real life is perhaps more real and vivid on their hard drives than out in the street." To characters onscreen, the Matrix is an intricate web of deception that blinds them to reality. To young truth-seekers, these provocative, enigmatic films—steeped in muddled philosophy and operatic violence—may do the same.

GregBoyd
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Posted 5/14/2003 8:18 PM (GMT -6)

Just got back from the premier of Matrix: Reloaded.

Overall, what I expected. LOTS of special effects -- done superbly, but still, just a "oh cool" satisfaction. MUCH MUCH weaker on philosophical/religious themes -- though they managed to throw into their eclectic pluralism a strong nature-pagan-fertilty religion (which all humankind beneath the earth seem to rally around).

BUT, the movie does have a thickening more complex (and hard to follow) theme. And, far more imortantly, it DOES ZERO IN on the MAIN issue of humankind: ARE WE FREE? There's a strong on-going polemic between the blueprint verses open worldview. And, without giving too much away, I've just say that Calvinists will not be happy

(which, to OV'ers, means the movie can't be all that bad... heh?).

Greg

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S.B.G.
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Posted 5/15/2003 3:20 AM (GMT -6)

Greg,

You went and saw this thing in the middle of the night?

You are halarious!!

Thanks for your first-hand theological opinion.

S.B.G.

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One Love
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Posted 5/15/2003 3:30 AM (GMT -6)

YAY! I like video games, Japanimation (anime), and random comic book type violence. This movie's PERFECT for me!

And Doc...

Whussaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap! Be seeing you soon.

BBBCanada
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Posted 5/15/2003 3:36 AM (GMT -6)

Tigress,

I said that I empathsize with how you feel concerning "American values" in film and the arts in general. So I wonder how the hell you got that I was being insensitive and "condemning our "poo-pooing" of the media as puritanical and fundamenalist." I never said ANYTHING of the nature. So please, DO NOT put words into my post that I never said.

Again, you have some legitmate complaints, but the discussion has sunk to a level beyond my liking with gnostic sentiments toward the human body. Ugh...

Please, check out the links and the books that I posted for help in shaping a distinctly Christian understanding of the issues presented here.

Later...

Brandon
"Mommy, I know now that the terms, 'I'll knock yo' teeth down yo' throat!' meant you'd love me in the special way you do everyday of my life."--Darwin Hobbs
www.darwinhobbs.com

Christian
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Posted 5/15/2003 4:42 AM (GMT -6)

My family and I will pass on the matrix. We desire to live pure lives and find more pleasure involved in things that stimulate us to pure thinking rather than bring pleasure to our debased man. We crucified that man with Christ.

These last comments seem to be uncalled for. This young lady has insight beyond her years. May she be blessed for her courage to face a culture that is hostile to purity and goodness.

Tigress
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Posted 5/15/2003 4:42 AM (GMT -6)

quote:

Tigress,

I said that I empathsize with how you feel concerning "American values" in film and the arts in general. So I wonder how the hell you got that I was being insensitive and "condemning our "poo-pooing" of the media as puritanical and fundamenalist." I never said ANYTHING of the nature. So please, DO NOT put words into my post that I never said.

Again, you have some legitmate complaints, but the discussion has sunk to a level beyond my liking with gnostic sentiments toward the human body. Ugh... Please, check out the links and the books that I posted for help in shaping a distinctly Christian understanding of the issues presented here.

Later...

Brandon
"Mommy, I know now that the terms, 'I'll knock yo' teeth down yo' throat!' meant you'd love me in the special way you do everyday of my life."--Darwin Hobbs
www.darwinhobbs.com

BBBCanada,
I'm sorry if I offended you in some way. Maybe I just misinterpreted the things you were saying. I don't remember who was the person who was calling my position Puritannical but I wasn't trying to point fingers at any one person anyway, but rather that whole overall attitude to my position. Furthermore, I was the one who started this thread and therefore reserved the right to ask whatever follow up questions and make comments in whatever direction I felt like going. As it so happened I was even more concerned with how human beings, particularly women, are made to feel when media images like the ones I expressed concern over, affect them. I don't know why a conversation I started should have to stay on one topic alone, if I choose to take it to another level.

Tigress

The Angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear Him, and He delivers them.
-Psalm 34:7

Christian
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Posted 5/15/2003 4:43 AM (GMT -6)

Excellent and helpful review posted above.

Tigress
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Posted 5/15/2003 5:27 AM (GMT -6)

BBBCanada,
Oh, and another thing, everything I said about how the media affects women's self-image has everything to do with my original question about if it's okay to watch sex scenes and nudity in films. In expressing my own hurt and pain over my body after a lifetime of seeing ideallistic media images I was proving the correlation between movie portrayals of the human body and how it affects the viewer. So, I don't think my initial question went off-topic at all. The morality question is still very valid because it's immoral to make people, especially women, feel badly about themselvs.

Tigress

The Angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear Him, and He delivers them.
-Psalm 34:7

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