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BBBCanada
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| Posted 3/17/2003 4:15 PM (GMT -6) |   | We had our first “CVM ”WORLD” quote unquote, Summit". American participants were, ModesofThought, Electra, Springs, Iconoclast, Semeia, Shell, Churchmouse, Winghead, Magneton, Greg Boyd. International participants were TGB (Tom) and myself BBBCanada. Actually TGB is American, and so it was I who REALLY was the ONLY international participant.
For me personally? Some of the positive highlights were:
A. Making it across the border with very little hassle. Course, it’s a good thing I threw the dope out the window off the Ambassador Bridge and into the Detroit River before I made it to the American side. Just jok’n!! Lighten up! 
B. Not getting a speeding ticket on the way there and ESPECIALLY on the way back. Shoot, even Iconoclast had a hard time keeping up after leaving the restaurant. But we won’t say anything about his having to dart through heavy traffic because we all know he REALLY ISN’T a professional like myself.
C. Making it to St. Paul and being able to get to the bathroom after such a long ride west.
D. Staying with ModesofThought and his lovely and gentle spirited wife. I miss them already. 
E. Meeting the crew mentioned above (at top) at Iconoclast’s place and having a great time.
F. Going to “Sophia’s.” Nice jazz club, great food and great service.
G. Going to the Minnesota Music Café and hearing “The Good, The Bad and the Funkaaaay!” www.goodbadfunky.com Greg, YOU HAVE GOT TO HEAR THESE GUYS! Check out their drummer’s bio. You can listen online too.
H. Tom and I riding in the back of ModesofThought’s truck and pretending we were on Harley’s and other things.
I. Meeting Greg.
J. Greg meeting me.
K. Meeting Alan Padgett at Luther Seminary.
L. Alan Padgett meeting me at Luther Seminary.
M. Meeting the deaf at Greg’s church.
N. The deaf meeting me at Greg's church.
Some negatives and questions were:
A. Hitting fog in Michigan on the way home.
B. Tom and I GROVELLING at Semeia’s feet (for calling her “Hon”) as soon as we met her. “WE’RE NOT WORTHY!!” 
C. Church service on Sunday. Totally contemporary. Do you have a “traditional” service? All music was choruses. Where are the hymns? Where’s the roots? No windows!
D. Greg’s sermon. It was cool. God wants to free us from “dysfunctions.” He wants to give us life more abundantly. But what is the proper place of suffering in your thinking? Is there ANY room for it?
E. Coming back home and having to say good-bye to everyone. Waaaah!!! Love you guys!
Brandon
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fyodor
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| Posted 3/17/2003 4:58 PM (GMT -6) | | BBBCanada-
Sorry I missed you, while you were in your deaf meating, I was briefly introducing myself to others....Next time....
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Semeia
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| Posted 3/17/2003 6:18 PM (GMT -6) | | Brandon said:
Some negatives and questions were:
B. Tom and I GROVELLING at Semeia’s feet (for calling her “Hon”) as soon as we met her. “WE’RE NOT WORTHY!!”
Semeia:
That was a negative? That was my favorite part!! You guys did that so well, I told Iconoclast it was really a turn-on, so now that's how he greets me when he comes home from work!
Thanks,
Semeia
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 3/18/2003 5:19 AM (GMT -6) | | fyodor,
Yes. I really enjoyed meeting the deaf. As a matter of fact, I was telling Semeia and Electra that I think part of the reason for my being "upfront" or being "brash" other than my own personality type is because of the my experience WITH the deaf. In the deaf community in order to get another's attention one has to "wave", continuously "pat" the other person and stomp your foot on the floor(for vibrations). You have to at times be an "in your face" kinda person. But I am sorry that I missed ya. I was wonder'n where you were at.
Semeia said:
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That was a negative? That was my favorite part!!
You WOULD think that. HA! 
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You guys did that so well, I told Iconoclast it was really a turn-on, so now that's how he greets me when he comes home from work!
Nice to be on the recieving end isn't it Semeia? I feel sorry for Iconoclast though. Tom and I may have to start a MWG (Men who Grovel) Support Group.
Brandon
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Tom
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| Posted 3/18/2003 4:26 PM (GMT -6) | | My laptop isn't connecting here in the States for some reason, so I'm having to borrow my sister's.
Can't say much now, but I want do want to say what a wonderful time I had. Better than last October even! More later!
I'm in VA now for a few days, then on to FL to see my Dad who is sick.
It was great to see everyone again. And to meet Springs for the first time. You are VERY special. I hope I stay connected to you all for a very long time.
The lunch at Semeia's was great. Thanks so much! We sat on the back porch and watched bald eagles fly by. Awesome.
Thanks Icon for the Cha. Margaux. I checked it out online. You dog you. I'm definitely letting it age for 10 years!
Electra, remember...get in touch with your inner B--ch! Doc needs it!
Brandon, keep groveling. You need the practice! I'm a professional at it.
Springs, thanks for the burgers, tell your hubby hello and that "he can keep his hat on"...and I'll see you in November! Be there!
I have more to share, but gotta run now.
Tom
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shell
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| Posted 3/18/2003 5:59 PM (GMT -6) | | Tom,
It was great to see you again....wish we could have stayed longer to sit on the back porch and chat...sounds like it was wonderful. Any chance of bringing your wife for us all to meet? Oh yeah...and I am so disappointed to have missed the groveling..bummer!
Brandon...It was so fun to be able to put a face to your name and posts...it was nice to meet you!
Shell
p.s. I appreciated Greg's prayer over lunch when he thanked the Lord for CVM and the opportunity for our paths to cross with people who we wouldn't normally be connected to(or something like that) and that is so true. I am so thankful for those of you on this board whom I have met. You have all been so loving, kind and interesting friends to be around. I've told many of you I feel so inadequate being on this board...I'm so theologically challenged etc., but at the same time I just love that stepping out of my comfort zone( to say the least), has brought about meeting such awesome people...Electra, Modes, Springs, Semeia, Iconoclast, Churchmouse, Tom, Brandon, Mephi, I love you guys
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Springs
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| Posted 3/18/2003 6:05 PM (GMT -6) | | Aww Tom, you're too good to me. (Do you read me with my accent now?)
It was a pleasure to meet you. You are a delight. Thanks for the Baklava and so much more. It's good to hear you made it to ole Virginie safe and sound.
Brandon,I'm glad we got a chance to meet. You have a beautiful family. I took a picture of you grovelling. ha j/k.
Sorry you didn't get a picture with Doc, but really, who needs a picture of a preacher from a church with no windows, too many choruses, and healing service that doesn't include discipline. ha.
God bless our breaching bastors.
Springs
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 3/18/2003 6:29 PM (GMT -6) | | Tom! Teach me oh master!
Shell? The pleasure is all yo...er...mine!
Springs? I wish you did get that picture of Tom and I grovelling! That would've been a hoot up on the site!
Also, a tad bit on a serious note? The "complaint" that I have regarding WHC is not just my own. Many of the "younger evangelicals" are moving in this direction. And you should also read what Pinnock has to say about this! Other than that? CVM "WORLD" quote unquote Summit was a success! Praise you Jeeeesus.
Brandon
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shell
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| Posted 3/18/2003 6:36 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Shell? The pleasure is all yo...er...mine!
Ouch...okay I take back all of the nice things I said about you Shell
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Tom
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| Posted 3/19/2003 10:45 AM (GMT -6) | | Now, I loved Doc’s word last Sunday AM. Interestingly, I shared the main gist of it with my sis-in-law last night over dinner with regard to her husband’s struggles. It immediately connected with her.
The world and Satan freeze us. Jesus unfreezes us. Love the thought.
No windows? There were no windows in the church? But there was light everywhere!
Springs, yes, I read you with an accent now. Much more personal! Can you hear my “nice” voice?
Doc, thanks for breakfast! By the way, who paid the bill? Was that Springs? Dittos!
Shell, looooooved those shrimp. Hmmm. Icon, the Phelps was oh so nice.
Tom
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churchmouse522
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| Posted 3/20/2003 6:16 AM (GMT -6) | | Brandon,
I work in the Care Ministry at Woodland and I can tell you that Greg's sermon dramatically hit home with many many hurting people. And me too. The sermon was not meant to be a comprehensive examination of the nature and origin of suffering. It was meant to inspire hope and healing.
Believe me, Brandon: we get a lot of solid teaching here, but one of the best things about belonging to this church is that it really is a safe place and a healing environment. Whatever objections you have to the theoretical underpinings of the sermon, I know you can appreciate that.
You mentioned on another thread that you were concerned that folks would make more of an "emotional experience" than what was warranted, but how do you know it wasn't much more than that? How can you tell? Can you see into a person's heart and discern what the Holy Spirit is or is not doing at that moment?
I enjoyed meeting you and I can see that you have a deep hunger for learning. I understand your questions. But was the service really totally negative in your experience? If you set aside your questions for a moment, could you sense the presence of God?
Bless you Brandon,
Churchmouse
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Springs
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| Posted 3/20/2003 6:24 AM (GMT -6) | | Tom, I can hear ya now. Nice. I wish you had let me pay for your St. Patty’s day Reuben. Actually there are windows at Woodland. One whole side of the big area where you enter the church has windows from the floor to the ceiling. It’s true the worship center is interiorly located but that doesn’t keep people’s minds from wondering out, or thinking about what was missing from the sermon instead of what was in it.
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Brandon: Where’s the roots?
We sing hymns sometimes, or did you miss the hymnals? The root is Christ. The best way to know where he is, is to abide in him. His Spirit was present when the leaders of the church had a heart for healing the down trodden and they prayed for the service. He was there as the staff left their work to pray for the congregation. He was there as Doc prepared the sermon. I saw him in the prayer room as the Rev. Peggy Riley and her team of prayer warriors prayed before the services for the people. I knew he was with the worship team behind the stage curtain as they prayed his will that their gifts would be the vehicle to bring others into his presence. I felt him with me at the altar as I joined the Pastors, staff, lay leaders, and the prayer team of the church in praying with the broken hearted. Yeah, there was light in the room. It was the light of love and truth that we saw as we entered into the healing presence of God as a community.
peace,
Springs
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 3/20/2003 7:13 AM (GMT -6) | | Ok. Now I'm getting a little concerned here.
It's not a big problem people. Ok? It's just a little pet peeve of mine. Ok? I long for a bit more traditional service involving icons, banners and what-the-heck. I have a more Catholic flavor in my blood.
Don't take this as a full all out criticism on WHC. Sheesh...I know absolutely NOTHING about WH other than what I experienced on Sunday. OK? I LOVED the service. I am grateful that others are giving up their burdens. It's all about "reversing the curse" right? Coo.
But I don't appreciate the implication about the state of my heart by way of these statements:quote:
But was the service really totally negative in your experience? If you set aside your questions for a moment, could you sense the presence of God?
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Brandon: Where’s the roots?
We sing hymns sometimes, or did you miss the hymnals? The root is Christ. The best way to know where he is, is to abide in him.
Like what? Am I sooo much into orthodoxy than orthopraxis? Am I soo concerned about "right doctrine" that that ruined my experience or I somehow missed God at WHC?
It's no big deal people. It's no big deal. Ugh...
Brandon
"And don't say it's love that broke your heart when you trusted someone. Cause love's the victim, not the crime."--Jody McBrayer, Love Can Break Your Fall www.jodymcbrayer.com
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churchmouse522
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| Posted 3/20/2003 4:35 PM (GMT -6) | | Brandon,
I didn't mean to imply that there was anything wrong with your heart. It was a sincere question. I was really wondering if it was a totally negative experience for you. Sorry if I sounded judgemental or mad or otherwise mean-spirited.
Mouse
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 3/20/2003 5:38 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Brandon,
I didn't mean to imply that there was anything wrong with your heart. It was a sincere question. I was really wondering if it was a totally negative experience for you. Sorry if I sounded judgemental or mad or otherwise mean-spirited.
Mouse
Oh no! It was a wonderful experience! I love going to Minneapolis and St. Paul. I got to meet all you guys! I got to meet one of my FAVORITE authors! I got to see and hear him preach!
Man! It was all a BEAUTIFUL THAAANG! I just have a couple of minor pet peeves. Just me think'n out loud I guess. Overall the pros FAR outweighed the cons! I can't wait to go back to our next CVM "WORLD" quote unquote Summit! I was thinking today that it is funny how we hear or see one negative thing in the form of criticism and we recieve it in terms of megaphones and magnifying glasses. No Mouse, I really enjoyed and wished to have spent more time there with Greg and everyone. I really am thankful that there are pastors who still do "healing services." Though the preaching was not intended to be educational? I still think that it had that missing element. Maybe the Holy Spirit wanted to do some cleansing as well? I dunno? Either way, the fact that Greg set a time apart specifically for people to lay their burdens down and invited the Holy Spirit into our midst is ALWAYS a good thing.
Brandon
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| Posted 3/21/2003 5:25 PM (GMT -6) | | I'm so glad you guys had a good time...I wish wish wish I could have been there! But I did say some prayers for you all that your time would be blessed.
Any plans for doing something like this again in the summer by chance?? :)
Peace,
~E
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 3/22/2003 3:16 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
I'm so glad you guys had a good time...I wish wish wish I could have been there! But I did say some prayers for you all that your time would be blessed.
Any plans for doing something like this again in the summer by chance?? :)
Peace,
~E
Ummm....we were kick'n around the idea of board participants giving papers at the next CVM "WORLD" quote unquote Summit sometime after ETS this year. We figure ETS may be on the demise and CVM may be on the up and up. 
Brandon
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 3/22/2003 4:15 AM (GMT -6) | | Come to think of it? I think CVM should do a spin-off from the ETS theme this year about religion and the "un-born-agains." How 'bout we name it, "Unsaved Sects."
Brandon
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