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DLW
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| Posted 4/16/2003 12:49 PM (GMT -6) |   | needs to be changed. The problem of evil need not be solved under given the open view of God. Even the choice of the word solved presumes a closedness within the system, rather than an openness...
Perhaps, this group should be joined with the next one on breaking down barriers.
It could be, "Confronting the Problem of Order both Spiritually and Socially".
ps, Hey Greg. Thanks for calling the curse of terrible handwriting by my students on essay tests off from on me... .
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adiaphora
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| Posted 4/17/2003 6:09 AM (GMT -6) | | DLW, Welcome to our discussion.
The subtitle of the Spiritual Warfare section, “Let’s solve the problem of evil,” is not intended to prescribe parameters around how this problem may be solved, but rather to invite discussion on this important topic. Participants are welcome to discuss whatever method or conviction about theodicy they wish—whether it has to do with openness, calvinism, nonviolent resistance, jihad, order, or whatever.
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DLW
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| Posted 4/17/2003 6:44 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
DLW, Welcome to our discussion.
The subtitle of the Spiritual Warfare section, “Let’s solve the problem of evil,” is not intended to prescribe parameters around how this problem may be solved, but rather to invite discussion on this important topic. Participants are welcome to discuss whatever method or conviction about theodicy they wish—whether it has to do with openness, calvinism, nonviolent resistance, jihad, order, or whatever.
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adiaphora
Still the portrayal of the problem of evil as a problem that may be solved seems misleading... and the topics aren't that different from the other group below it.
The problem of evil within the Augustine Theodicy was not really solveable and some of the solutions were worse than the problem.
So I still think a better name could be found for this link or maybe it needs to be merged with the one below it...
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DLW
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| Posted 4/22/2003 6:57 AM (GMT -6) | | The Problem of Evil has traditionally been seen as an intellectual problem. The discourses at the forum tend to deal with coping with evil in more concrete terms.
As such, it is inappropriately named.
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DLW
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| Posted 4/22/2003 6:57 AM (GMT -6) | | The Problem of Evil has traditionally been seen as an intellectual problem. The discourses at the forum tend to deal with coping with evil in more concrete terms.
As such, it is inappropriately named.
dlw
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DLW
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| Posted 4/26/2003 12:08 PM (GMT -6) | | I think that the discussion board should be reorganized. The problem of evil forum and the breaking down barriers forum seem to have a fair amount in common.
As mentioned before, while breaking down barriers is an excellent title, I think the previous one also fits under the forum of Christianity and Culture.
And that it is discongruous to have solving the problem of evil under the heading of spiritual warfare.
In general, I think just as Graham Ministries has made its Crusades, "Celebrations" or something. I would be wary of stressing the spiritual warfare. I know Greg is evenhanded in how he treats it, but I think the Western Christian tradition had the right idea in de-emphasizing the spiritual dimension and focusing on the development of institutions that had the effect of crowding out the pagan traditions of Europe and inculcating a view that was willing to question just what aspects of humanity were "sinful", ie. should be taken as given or not likely to change too much.
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Tom
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| Posted 4/26/2003 7:08 PM (GMT -6) | | DLW: And that it is discongruous to have solving the problem of evil under the heading of spiritual warfare.
Tom: The two seem to perfectly entail one another. Not sure how to talk about one without the other. We celebrate victory in Chrst, but we haven't laid down our weapons yet. D-Day is behind us, but we're still being fired upon. The war isn't over. And the war is with evil, it's presence in the world. That leaves us with a lot of mystery and unsolved problems. You're right, in openness there is no "problem of evil." We believe we've solved it. But, in all fairness, others who visit don't think we've solved it. This is a good title to pull them into discussion. Plus, we still admit that determinists, for example, face the "problem of evil," but determinists, like us, probably don't think so. Everybody who has a theodicy thinks their theodicy solves the problem and so only sees the problem of evil as unsolved for others who don't embrace their view! That's kinda funny.
Just my two cents.
Tom
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DLW
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| Posted 4/27/2003 9:23 AM (GMT -6) | | Okay,
keep the problem of evil in the forum title. It is clearly recognizable for many people, but the title should be "How do we confront the Problem of Evil" in that I do not see people offering theodicies too much that are meant to solve the intellectual problem of evil...
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Tom
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| Posted 4/27/2003 8:54 PM (GMT -6) | | Or better yet, let's create another category called:
"The Problem of Labeling the Problem of Evil"
Tom 
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