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Tom
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Posted 5/5/2003 1:33 AM (GMT -6)

adiaphora-

I suggested this once. How 'bout another try. It would be great to write the entire bank of threads as is onto a searchable CD, copywrite it, and sell it. There's a LOT there and folks could research and read at will without having to be online. THe first CD could include June 2000 (when we started) to June 2003. Every three years you could update by adding new threads. I'd use it constantly for sure. Since it's all already digitized, it wouldn't be that hard to create a small front for it where members only could enter with their password and have at it.

Thoughts?

Tom

honorman
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Posted 5/5/2003 6:59 AM (GMT -6)

I would certainly want a copy!

Tom
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Posted 5/5/2003 9:41 AM (GMT -6)

Let's officially picket the site with signs demanding action!

Tom

honorman
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Posted 5/5/2003 12:45 PM (GMT -6)

Hey, I didn't know we'd have to actually expend energy getting what we want...

PotOnWheel
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Posted 5/5/2003 4:51 PM (GMT -6)

I'm really not sure that I'd like to be on anything that public.

I'm really not sure that I'd like to be on anything that public.
I'm really not sure that I'd like to be on anything that public.
I'm really not sure that I'd like to be on anything that public.
I'm really not sure that I'd like to be on anything that public.
I'm really not sure that I'd like to be on anything that public.

Springs
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Posted 5/5/2003 6:16 PM (GMT -6)

Tom, The disclaimer for this site says that these discources are not intented for publication. I think that includes writing them in a different form and selling them.

Pow, You are already public. How could it get any more public?

"Dreams are illustrations...from the book your soul is writing about you." -Marsha Norman

BJS
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Posted 5/6/2003 4:15 AM (GMT -6)

quote:

I'm really not sure that I'd like to be on anything that public.

I'm really not sure that I'd like to be on anything that public.
I'm really not sure that I'd like to be on anything that public.
I'm really not sure that I'd like to be on anything that public.
I'm really not sure that I'd like to be on anything that public.
I'm really not sure that I'd like to be on anything that public.

Then why have you posted over 3,000 times on this site alone?
Then why have you posted over 3,000 times on this site alone?
Then why have you posted over 3,000 times on this site alone?
Then why have you posted over 3,000 times on this site alone?
Then why have you posted over 3,000 times on this site alone?
Then why have you posted over 3,000 times on this site alone?

Brett

"Siste viator et memento mori."

Tom
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Posted 5/6/2003 7:50 AM (GMT -6)

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Then why have you posted over 3,000 times on this site alone?
Then why have you posted over 3,000 times on this site alone?
Then why have you posted over 3,000 times on this site alone?
Then why have you posted over 3,000 times on this site alone?
Then why have you posted over 3,000 times on this site alone?
Then why have you posted over 3,000 times on this site alone?

Gotta admit PoW, that WAS funny. But I think, Brandon, if we added all the separate ID's together, it's more than 4,000. PoW is the all-time rocker!

And Springs is right too, PoW. You ARE on something that public. The CD would be less public than the site. You'd still have the copyright claims and it would still require a member's ID to access the CD.

I still think it's a good idea!

I want a CD!
I want a CD!
I want a CD!
I want a CD!
I want a CD!
I want a CD!

Tom

Edited by - TGB on 05/06/2003 2:51:20 PM

Edited by - TGB on 05/06/2003 2:52:40 PM

BJS
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Posted 5/6/2003 10:21 AM (GMT -6)

My name isn't Brandon!
My name isn't Brandon!
My name isn't Brandon!
My name isn't Brandon!
My name isn't Brandon!
My name isn't Brandon!

Brett

"Siste viator et memento mori."

BBBCanada
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Posted 5/6/2003 11:09 AM (GMT -6)

Tom and POW are LOSERS!
Tom and POW are LOSERS!
Tom and POW are LOSERS!
Tom and POW are LOSERS!
Tom and POW are LOSERS!
Tom and POW are LOSERS!

Brandon
"Mommy, I know now that the terms, 'I'll knock yo' teeth down yo' throat!' meant you'd love me in the special way you do everyday of my life."--Darwin Hobbs
www.darwinhobbs.com

Tom
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Posted 5/6/2003 6:28 PM (GMT -6)

Brett I'm so very sorry!
Brett I'm so very sorry!
Brett I'm so very sorry!
Brett I'm so very sorry!
Brett I'm so very sorry!
Brett I'm so very sorry!

Tom

JCsites.com
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Posted 5/8/2003 4:07 PM (GMT -6)

I think this sounds like a great idea, a searchable CD. Like it or not, all these posts are public.

It's the selling of the CD that might cause I stir. I for one think it's a great idea. I would hope that some of the biggest content contributors (meph, POW, Electra, ect...) would be o.k with CVM making money off of their posts.

I mean legally, I'm 99% sure that CVM owns what we post here. But if selling those posts for research would alienate the community, the idea becomes valueless, in my opionion, and should NOT be done.

Technically speaking, this can be done, and I certainly could provide a master copy for CVM to make available. The question is should CVM do this?

JC Sites guy

PotOnWheel
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Posted 5/8/2003 4:32 PM (GMT -6)

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I would hope that some of the biggest content contributors (meph, POW, Electra, ect...) would be o.k with CVM making money off of their posts.

I mean legally, I'm 99% sure that CVM owns what we post here. But if selling those posts for research would alienate the community, the idea becomes valueless, in my opionion, and should NOT be done.

The CVM disclaimer itself acknowledges a fact of contextualization!!!

quote:
"..our spontaneous, unedited dialogue is appropriate for a conversational context, but not for...

AND

"..not intended for publication."

So, JCSites, TWO THINGS are definitely true!!!!

NOT

As to the second, artists know this full well.

On this site things "live" for a "moment" that has a particular quality. It is a social, softly-defined kind of world that one learns on each site.

To put things into a CD is different than to "have" it here, online.

Besided, LOTS of what has been posted here actually EXISTS ONLY ON THE WEB. And some of that does not even exist anymore. I'm speaking of all the LINKS and the IMAGES that have been here. Sometimes the content is intrinsically linked to them ... and their lack actually changes things.

I'd say that a better use of energies is to make the ON-LINE MORE SEARCHABLE... or to just work at all.

But by your own disclaimer, you MAY NOT publish them in static form!!!

Sorry.

JCsites.com
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Posted 5/8/2003 7:12 PM (GMT -6)

POW,

First of all, why all the shouting with the Big Bold text? Does this subject have you angry?

Anyhow, just wanted to make sure you know it's not "my" dislaimer that's up there. It's the one CVM put up there. It's theirs not mine.

You actually prove my point. You are one of the esteemed members of this community, and it appears by your bold, big type, and what you say, that you would be upset if such a CD were sold.

So my conclusion for Tom is that while this appears a cool idea (technologically and research-wise), doing this would actually alienate the community. So why risk it for some dollars?

As for this remark:

quote:
I'd say that a better use of energies is to make the ON-LINE MORE SEARCHABLE... or to just work at all.

I have been asked to help migrate the board to a better database so that the search feature will work, and work faster. You are right, this improvement, which is on its way, would give Tom the research capability he really wants.

Along with the better database are also comming some new features to the board and some bug fixes. The project is underway, please be patient.

I guess I'd like to point out that the existence of this site/board does cost CVM money. But they see it as an important part of their ministry to the body of Christ.

Likewise, the upgrade to a better database, bug fixes and new features also costs money. This stuff isn't just magically free. However, the lives that have been impacted through this forum have proven it's value and worth of $/effort.

I just wanted to remind any regular members reading this that CVM gave us the priviledge of joining this board and discussing deep issues. What a blessing that has been! CVM is spending money to give us this priviledge. I hope we can all remember that, and not take it's existence for granted or entitle ourselves.

JC Sites Guy

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Posted 5/8/2003 7:21 PM (GMT -6)

Also POW, if you want to engage in litigation discussions regarding the disclaimer, you might want to remember that corporations lose civil suits quite regularly, even when their chief defense is the disclaimer they've posted on the product, or premisis.

That's why I said as a legal matter, I'm 99% sure CVM owns the content on this board. I mean, they are footing the bill for this discussion.

But just cause they own it doesn't mean it's right to make and sell the CD. If it ticks members off, then they shouldn't do it. Chalk it up to the laws of good relationships.

Much ado about nothing? Maybe Tom would be the only buyer of the proposed CD? Ha!

JC Sites Guy

honorman
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Posted 5/8/2003 7:33 PM (GMT -6)

I would be the second buyer. Plus, one could edit out the links and images, so what's the problem?

Tom
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Posted 5/8/2003 8:16 PM (GMT -6)

Artists.

Could we produce a version with all of PoW's (plus aliases) posts removed?

Tom

Edited by - TGB on 05/09/2003 01:19:02 AM

PotOnWheel
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Posted 5/9/2003 12:48 AM (GMT -6)

JC Sites: But just cause they own it doesn't mean it's right to make and sell the CD. If it ticks members off, then they shouldn't do it. Chalk it up to the laws of good relationships.

PoW: That's what I'm talking about.

(Tom, Chill.)

Tom
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Posted 5/9/2003 2:20 AM (GMT -6)

Chill PoW
Chill PoW
Chill PoW
Chill PoW
Chill PoW
Chill PoW

I've only just now realized what you mean when you tell me to chill. This is anthropomorphic PoWism for "You're ticking me off Tom!"

A hermeneutical breakthrough!

Tom

PotOnWheel
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Posted 5/9/2003 10:57 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
I've only just now realized what you mean when you tell me to chill. This is anthropomorphic PoWism for "You're ticking me off Tom!"

No.

JCsites.com
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Posted 5/9/2003 3:04 PM (GMT -6)

POW,

Guess we were saying the same thing each in a different way. Too bad about all the hubbub around the topic.

Tom, It is technically possible to produce a CD that removes links and pictures. It's also possible to create one minus POW's posts. (do we really want to omit a superstar status member?)

However, to pull off these technical wonders would require time. A lot of it.

I'd rather just forget this whole topic. Besides, when the upgrades are complete, then you'll likely be more than satisfied with the research capabilities online. Unless you're on a 56k modem, then I could see more benefit in having a CD.

Changing the subject just a bit....

The database that holds all the posts on this board, is regularly backed up for safe keeping. Why? Besides the obvious "disaster recovery" issues, I think that this board is an actual part of Church history.

I figure if Christ does not return within the next 100 or 200 years, then Church historians will use this board as part of their research to cover this era in Christianity in regards to the Open Theism movement. So keeping back ups is important! Maybe I'm just being too egotistical?

JC Sites Guy

PotOnWheel
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Posted 5/9/2003 3:35 PM (GMT -6)

quote:
However, to pull off these technical wonders would require time. A lot of it.

I'd rather just forget this whole topic. Besides, when the upgrades are complete, then you'll likely be more than satisfied with the research capabilities online. Unless you're on a 56k modem, then I could see more benefit in having a CD.

I wish Tom HOURS of "happy hunting."

Tom
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Posted 5/9/2003 10:13 PM (GMT -6)

JC: Tom...it's also possible to create one minus POW's posts. (do we really want to omit a superstar status member?)

Tom:

JC: I'd rather just forget this whole topic. Besides, when the upgrades are complete, then you'll likely be more than satisfied with the research capabilities online. Unless you're on a 56k modem, then I could see more benefit in having a CD.

Tom: Well, I've suggested this project a couple times before and never even got THIS far, so we can drop the whole topic now and I'll be happy...until next time!

56K? I wish. Where I live I connect at 33k. I takes me a LOT of time to get around.

JC: I figure if Christ does not return within the next 100 or 200 years, then Church historians will use this board as part of their research to cover this era in Christianity in regards to the Open Theism movement.

Tom: Will they get online to do their research or will THEY have a hard copy of everything to work from? I thought so. A hard copy. Well, I guess in the end, PoW, I get my CD and you get unfettered public exposure. Even if I never enjoy it myself, I embrace it from afar by faith, knowing that God has something better planned for me, namely, that I would only be made perfect when future generations come to possess the promised CD which I worked so hard to make available by bugging people in asking for it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over [......the line stretches aroudn the world.......] and over again.

Have a good day!

Tom

Edited by - TGB on 05/10/2003 04:09:30 AM

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