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DLW
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| Posted 4/16/2003 12:48 PM (GMT -6) |   | A while back I was campaigning for changing the title of the "Lets solve the Problem of Evil" forum to "Lets confront the Reality of Evil". I still think it would be a good change .
In the link where ModesofThought and I tangoed, he mentioned that he did not accept that the Problem of evil was distinct from the Reality of Evil.
I really don't understand this. The majority of the links that get started in that forum(and not just mind) do not deal with why there is evil in this world and how it shd be reconciled with a loving God. They tend to presume that a facet of live is fallen and discuss why it is fallen and what may be done about it. We play God in doing this because we more often than not don't have an agreed upon authoritative word from Scripture that settles everything about the issue for all time. As such we must interpret/exegete from Scripture and our various historical understandings as well as draw upon the knowledge generated in the natural and social sciences, commonly as disseminated through news articles.
So if someone can explain to me under what implicit ontotheological scheme these two different genres of topics are one and the same and why they should be lumped together in the same forum, I would appreciate it very much.
Prayer from Kenya
From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
Lord Deliver Me.
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DLW
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| Posted 7/17/2003 9:30 AM (GMT -6) | | the above is a mutation of the duplicate-posting of my initial attempt to campaign for some better order to the board.
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might-be-don
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| Posted 7/18/2003 1:39 AM (GMT -6) | | My 1-cent...
Please do away will all categories on this message board. Almost every conversation has an ebb and flow that makes providing a category rather pointless. Anarchy!!!, please.
One title, "Conversation goes here", for those that are unable to deal with real freedom.
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Tom
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| Posted 7/18/2003 1:58 AM (GMT -6) | | You are one persistent cookie. Admirable.
To me the words “the problem of evil” may be taken as describing “evil” itself as a problem, which it most certainly is; that is, an epexegetic genitive—the problem which is evil. Evil’s existence is a problem for those touched by evil and for those who commit evil. But the phrase “the problem of evil” may also describe the intellectual problem of explaining, understanding, and accounting for evil (which is not an entire waste of time by the way). So, evil is certainly a problem when it’s experienced, and explaining the experience of it is certainly a problem as well. Since the discussions in this category DO include discussions of various experiences of evil and opposing evil as well as discussions that seek to explain these experiences and the nature of and reasons for opposing evil the “Explaining the Problem of Evil” is fine with me, since it can refer to both! If we called it “Opposing the Reality of Evil” we wouldn’t be exactly honest, since we don’t actually oppose any real evil in any of the discussions. We only talk “about” opposing evil. (Granted, counseling someone on the board to stop beating their children, stop taking drugs, etc., would be actually to oppose evil, but that doesn’t happen much if at all.)
Let it go dude. Just get on there and talk about what you want instead of talking about what title to give to what you talk about.
Tom
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DLW
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| Posted 7/23/2003 6:54 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
To me the words “the problem of evil” may be taken as describing “evil” itself as a problem, which it most certainly is; that is, an epexegetic genitive—the problem which is evil. Evil’s existence is a problem for those touched by evil and for those who commit evil. But the phrase “the problem of evil” may also describe the intellectual problem of explaining, understanding, and accounting for evil (which is not an entire waste of time by the way). So, evil is certainly a problem when it’s experienced, and explaining the experience of it is certainly a problem as well. Since the discussions in this category DO include discussions of various experiences of evil and opposing evil as well as discussions that seek to explain these experiences and the nature of and reasons for opposing evil the “Explaining the Problem of Evil” is fine with me, since it can refer to both! If we called it “Opposing the Reality of Evil” we wouldn’t be exactly honest, since we don’t actually oppose any real evil in any of the discussions. We only talk “about” opposing evil. (Granted, counseling someone on the board to stop beating their children, stop taking drugs, etc., would be actually to oppose evil, but that doesn’t happen much if at all.)
Thanks Tom,
I think trying to understand what makes something evil and what are options are is a form of confronting evil. For me, Solving is associated with Solution as would be the case for math-problems.
I prefer confront to explain since the idea is that the purpose of us grappling with these sorts of questions is to equip our selves for action or confrontation of the powers-that-be that have determined our current fallible answers to these problems.
but that may be just me.
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We-all-uh-sceam-uh for
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