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DLW
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Posted 5/23/2003 9:42 AM (GMT -6)

I think the board as a whole could be better organized(Yes, I am a control freak).

I would have the top forum be Welcom(Board-related questions or comments). Then, OVT with two sub-categories the raging debate continues here and Let's discuss the Spiritual Warfare Theodicy. Then, Apologetics(This should be higher on the list than it currently is.) Then Christianity and Culture with two subcategories: "Let's Confront the Reality of Evil"(You saw that one coming) and "Tearing Down Walls:Reconciliation". Then, Miscellaneous with two categories:Theological Q & A and Bonhoeffer/Ethics.

Just thinking out loud,
dlw

Prayer from Kenya

From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
Lord Deliver Me.

Edited by - DLW on 05/23/2003 2:51:43 PM

shell
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Posted 5/23/2003 9:44 AM (GMT -6)

DLW,
Please tell us you are not for real here!!!

Shell

honorman
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Posted 5/23/2003 9:45 AM (GMT -6)

DLW: you would never be satisfied with being a member of someone else's board. Your best bet would be to control your own. I would definitely look into that. As long as someone else is doing it, you'll always be sad

DLW
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Posted 5/23/2003 9:50 AM (GMT -6)

Why not just read and evaluate the idea for the reorganization on its own merits?

What Doc doesn't take input?

dlw

Prayer from Kenya

From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
Lord Deliver Me.

S.B.G.
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Posted 5/23/2003 10:57 AM (GMT -6)

DLW,

Could you explain WHY you feel this arrangement would be better? You intimate that apologetics should be higher on the list. I think Greg intentionally does no want to rank topics as though one is more important than the other.

When I was a teenager, I completely redecorated the living room. With a mixture of pride and excitement, I awaited my parent's response. My Mom seemed hurt, but didn't say anything. After she left the room, my Dad said, "You need to put everything back. When you get your own house you can decorate it the way you want to." I felt embarrassed, and realized I hadn't considered my Mom's feelings and I put everything back the way she chose to make our home.

Food for thought.

S.B.G.

To understand and to be understood is bliss.

honorman
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Posted 5/23/2003 11:18 AM (GMT -6)

SBG: Exactly. DLW, you need your own board. This one already has a monitor.

Tigress
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Posted 5/23/2003 11:22 AM (GMT -6)

quote:

SBG: Exactly. DLW, you need your own board. This one already has a monitor.

Not to mention that the rest of us are perfectly happy with it the way it is.

Tigress

The Angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear Him, and He delivers them.
-Psalm 34:7

PotOnWheel
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Posted 5/23/2003 11:27 AM (GMT -6)

DWL, what you outlined DID appear to me to have a nice structure to it. But I see the point of those who have organically engaged in working with the organic nuances of this evolving board over time too, and understand their non-spoken reactions that underlie what is spoken. (Icon could talk about one of my favorite architectural theorists: Christopher Alexander.)

I made the "homesick" remark on another thead; so I won't here.

I do want, though, to voice my observation (and admiration, as a fellow professorial type) that you appear to be at a stage in your academics (Now I am REALLY second-guessing; but think that I'm correct.) where you are exploring just how much of, well, everything, can be handled, explored, poked and proded with the paradigms that you have been polishing! And I think that you should.

I think that I see you take the Church and try to define it by Economics structures. If it fit, then much of what you said would be true. I don't see anything wrong with HOW you did it, just in WHAT you did. My saying this might sound a bit structuralist (Claus Levi Strauss). Actually it is Kuyper, and Dooyeweerd. (I need to introduce you to Herman Dooyeweerd. If you go to THIS site and hunt around you might get a feel: www.basden.u-net.com/Dooy/aspectuality.html)

So, while I think you have mistaken thinking when it comes to thinking about the Church, I do NOT think your thinking in the suggestion is lacking in clear value.

Yet, others here are likely to judge the "need" for change with their intuitive feelings and sensate actions, instead of the logic you have employed. its a matter of different "modes" and "norms" (www.basden.u-net.com/Dooy/normativity.html)

I can't explain how they feel. but you should listen to them.

PoW

Springs
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Posted 5/23/2003 12:51 PM (GMT -6)

DLW,
I hope you didn't offend anybody by putting Bonhoeffer in the miscellaneous section.

Wouldn't want to offend the people you're trying to manipulate them, ha.

Oh, and you forgot to leave a spot for "Let's solve the problem of evil!"

I'm telling ya dude, that ain't goin' anywhere, even if they ADD yours to the list.

I don't mind your idea of putting Confronting the reality of evil under Christianity and Culture, but if I know I'd end up posting some spiritual warfare stuff on there, so it might get even messier.

The Welcome Thread used to be the top forum. They moved it to add Bonhoeffer. Oh my, a precendant has been set! Anything is possible.

-S

"Dreams are illustrations...from the book your soul is writing about you." -Marsha Norman

DLW
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Posted 5/23/2003 1:23 PM (GMT -6)

quote:

DLW,
I hope you didn't offend anybody by putting Bonhoeffer in the miscellaneous section. Wouldn't want to offend the people you're trying to manipulate them, ha.

Oh, and you forgot to leave a spot for "Let's solve the problem of evil!" I'm telling ya dude, that ain't goin' anywhere, even if they ADD yours to the list.

I don't mind your idea of putting Confronting the reality of evil under Christianity and Culture, but if I know I'd end up posting some spiritual warfare stuff on there, so it might get even messier.

The Welcome Thread used to be the top forum. They moved it to add Bonhoeffer. Oh my, a precendant has been set! Anything is possible.

-S

"Dreams are illustrations...from the book your soul is writing about you." -Marsha Norman

Imagine that, there is openness to how the board is structured.

I didn't get rid of the let's solve the problem of evil, I renamed it lets discuss the Spiritual Warfare Theodicy, which I think, given the other name before it is more apt.

Its just suggestions...

I think regulars may be just fine with the way things are, but for a newbie, it would be rather confusing.

dlw

Prayer from Kenya

From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
Lord Deliver Me.

Laika
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Posted 5/23/2003 4:21 PM (GMT -6)

DLW

quote:

I think the board as a whole could be better organized(Yes, I am a control freak).

DL, I'd get lost!!! Think of the children.

Even though the skies are blue, don't they let the sunshine through?

DLW
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Posted 5/24/2003 7:23 AM (GMT -6)

quote:

DLW
quote:

I think the board as a whole could be better organized(Yes, I am a control freak).

DL, I'd get lost!!! Think of the children.

Even though the skies are blue, don't they let the sunshine through?

I thought you were one of the children?
dlw

Prayer from Kenya

From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
Lord Deliver Me.

DLW
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Posted 5/24/2003 8:00 AM (GMT -6)

I think that "Let's Solve the Problem of Evil" could be renamed

"Let's Discuss the Problem of Evil and the Spiritual Warfare Theodicy"

Since the goal is to have forums whose overall themes are not strictly about OVTheology.
dlw

Prayer from Kenya

From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
Lord Deliver Me.

Edited by - DLW on 05/24/2003 7:21:34 PM

Christian
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Posted 5/24/2003 8:19 AM (GMT -6)

Changing the name will not help non-OVers feel welcome. Only attitudes of persons posting will achieve that. But just as an OVer might not feel welcome in a reformed tradition site such as http://www.puritanboard.com/forum/index.php , a nonOVer might not feel welcome here. I've noticed only a few (nonOVers)but that would be expected since this is not as much a research site on the OV as it is a propagandist site (on OV). Any person entering these forums will be bombarded with OV propaganda rather than balanced discussion.

honorman
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Posted 5/24/2003 8:29 AM (GMT -6)

Oh PLEASE! Christian, get a grip...while I agree that some might be put off by the advocates of the open view (this is, after all, what this site is dedicated to) there is a difference between propaganda and a well reasoned defense of what one believes. I would suggest to you that that would have to do more with the preconceptions of the person thinking about joining than this site in particular. I have been a member of a reformed site and it is hard to be on any site when you are a distinct minority.
Finally, You might want might to check out the definiton of propaganda in order to use it correctly. It is, after all, much more gracious to admit you simply disagree with a person than to label them a propagandist.

Edited by - honorman on 05/24/2003 1:33:26 PM

Edited by - honorman on 05/24/2003 1:36:56 PM

Springs
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Posted 5/24/2003 7:14 PM (GMT -6)

quote:
DLW: "Let's Discuss the Problem of Evil and the Spiritual Warfare Theodicy"

I must this is your best offereing to date.

But isn't the "Let's Discuss" assumed?
How 'bout if we voted to keep "Lets solve the problem of evil", then we could name the subtitles, "confronting", and "warfare" and what not.

-S

"It was fine." - Lee Marvin in Cat Balou.

DLW
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Posted 5/25/2003 5:29 AM (GMT -6)

quote:

quote:
DLW: "Let's Discuss the Problem of Evil and the Spiritual Warfare Theodicy"

I must this is your best offereing to date.

But isn't the "Let's Discuss" assumed?
How 'bout if we voted to keep "Lets solve the problem of evil", then we could name the subtitles, "confronting", and "warfare" and what not.

-S

I'm flexible(obviously).

dlw

Prayer from Kenya

From the Cowardice that dare not face new truth,
From the Laziness that is contented with half-truth,
From the Arrogance that thinks it knows all truth,
Lord Deliver Me.

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