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PotOnWheel
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Tigress
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| Posted 8/13/2003 5:18 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
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Actually I forgot to include Gallaher.
Or your most favorite, Dubya.
dlw
I didn't include him because he wasn't some sort of celebrity before he became a politician. But, he is a good example of the sterotypical county-western American good ole boy. But, from what I hear, he's also a Christian and admirably open about it.
The problem is that he also is the face of "Evangelicalism" to much of the world and the connection between that and the rest of what his administration has accomplished has served to make him not an appealing show-person regarding "Evangelicalism".
Separation of Church and State, interpreted as their segregation(rather than their autonomy) has something going for it in that no politician/party's actions can be identified with Christianity.
dlw
Yes, you are right about that. Any time an outspoken Christian person does something that's sinful, people make it into a stereotype of all Christians. But, that's more of a sad commentary on others' lack of reasoning skills, though. It's like a friend I had in high school who hated all Mexican-American males because of her bad experiences with just a few of them. She honestly believed that they all were all sex-crazed, male chauvinist pigs. Obviously if she had used her powers of reason, she would have realized that that's simply not true.
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DLW
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| Posted 8/13/2003 5:47 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
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Yeah, but they pretty much are all sex-crazed chauvinist pigs!
I know cause I hang with them.
It also isn't just a matter of foreigners making inaccurate stereotypes. It also is an unforeseen consequence of how so many of us avoid deliberating over politics and just vote for who is supposedly pro-life.
dlw
Dubya is a much better leader than any of the alternatives. So, I'd say my vote for him was worth it. Sorry to disappoint you by not mindlessly believing that only your viewpoint could be correct.
Well, Gore wasn't perfect and he may have gone off the deep-end with some of his environmentalism-stuff, but Bush has failed to follow through with most of "compassionate" conservatism promises and a large portion of his popularity stems from 9-11, for which his reactions were not necessarily better than what Gore or McCain could have done, and the perceived success of GWII, which is waning now as people get preoccupied with the terrible direction of the US economy.
Tax-cuts do not serve as the instrument of choice for fighting recessions. If anything they are s'posed to promote longer-term growth and generally when the benefits fall ont the wealthy, they are less likely to spend the additional income and so the tax-cuts fell short in trying to stimulate demand as well.
Another president would probably have had the US economy out of recession by now.
Some leadership!
dlw
Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes." | | Back to Top | | |
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Tigress
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DLW
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| Posted 8/13/2003 6:11 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
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Originally posted by Tigress
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Originally posted by DLW
Yeah, but they pretty much are all sex-crazed chauvinist pigs!
I know cause I hang with them.
It also isn't just a matter of foreigners making inaccurate stereotypes. It also is an unforeseen consequence of how so many of us avoid deliberating over politics and just vote for who is supposedly pro-life.
dlw
Dubya is a much better leader than any of the alternatives. So, I'd say my vote for him was worth it. Sorry to disappoint you by not mindlessly believing that only your viewpoint could be correct.
Well, Gore wasn't perfect and he may have gone off the deep-end with some of his environmentalism-stuff, but Bush has failed to follow through with most of "compassionate" conservatism promises and a large portion of his popularity stems from 9-11, for which his reactions were not necessarily better than what Gore or McCain could have done, and the perceived success of GWII, which is waning now as people get preoccupied with the terrible direction of the US economy.
Tax-cuts do not serve as the instrument of choice for fighting recessions. If anything they are s'posed to promote longer-term growth and generally when the benefits fall ont the wealthy, they are less likely to spend the additional income and so the tax-cuts fell short in trying to stimulate demand as well.
Another president would probably have had the US economy out of recession by now.
Some leadership!
dlw
Why do you care anyway - you're living in Mexico! Are you ever coming back - and contributing to the American economy again?
Well Tigress, I'd explain it to you more thoroughly but it would require more complicated mathematics than I'm sure you could handle but the long and short of it is that the world-economy is growing more and more inter-connected and so how the US economy does affects all the rest of the world.
And I am teaching the future leaders of Mexico, so I think I'll stay here for a while. 
dlw
Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes." | | Back to Top | | |
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Tigress
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| Posted 8/13/2003 6:14 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
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Originally posted by Tigress
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Originally posted by DLW
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Originally posted by Tigress
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Originally posted by DLW
Yeah, but they pretty much are all sex-crazed chauvinist pigs!
I know cause I hang with them.
It also isn't just a matter of foreigners making inaccurate stereotypes. It also is an unforeseen consequence of how so many of us avoid deliberating over politics and just vote for who is supposedly pro-life.
dlw
Dubya is a much better leader than any of the alternatives. So, I'd say my vote for him was worth it. Sorry to disappoint you by not mindlessly believing that only your viewpoint could be correct.
Well, Gore wasn't perfect and he may have gone off the deep-end with some of his environmentalism-stuff, but Bush has failed to follow through with most of "compassionate" conservatism promises and a large portion of his popularity stems from 9-11, for which his reactions were not necessarily better than what Gore or McCain could have done, and the perceived success of GWII, which is waning now as people get preoccupied with the terrible direction of the US economy.
Tax-cuts do not serve as the instrument of choice for fighting recessions. If anything they are s'posed to promote longer-term growth and generally when the benefits fall ont the wealthy, they are less likely to spend the additional income and so the tax-cuts fell short in trying to stimulate demand as well.
Another president would probably have had the US economy out of recession by now.
Some leadership!
dlw
Why do you care anyway - you're living in Mexico! Are you ever coming back - and contributing to the American economy again?
Well Tigress, I'd explain it to you more thoroughly but it would require more complicated mathematics than I'm sure you could handle but the long and short of it is that the world-economy is growing more and more inter-connected and so how the US economy does affects all the rest of the world.
And I am teaching the future leaders of Mexico, so I think I'll stay here for a while.
dlw
Uh-huh...well you could also be teaching the next leaders of the U.S. so then you wouldn't have to complain anymore about its leaders. And by living here, all the money you'd be spending would go straight to other Americans which would be much appreciated - and I could look you square in the eyes and do this - . 
Tigress
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Tigress
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