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August 29, 2003

Minnesota Democratic Party Confined to the Buffer

(Washingmachine, D&C -- reporting by Mineappleous Tribute, Ink)

In a move reminiscent of the Bill and Hilary Convention a decade ago the Democratic National Party today set in motion a system that insures that the rest of the country can largely ignore Minnesota. During that ill fated convention of ten years ago the unusual representation on the Minnesota delegation of Pro-Life advocates was successfully derailed and their voices silenced from influencing national politics. That was the beginning of polarization in the Democratic Party nationally; and also an early indication of the predominant polarization and radicalizing of each party with an emptying of the traditional "middle."

Party workers site convenience as a precipitating factor. Having to listen to those of different views is a pain; and it is irritating to see "middlers suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous dissent." It is much more effective to the goals that "everyone should have to let it appear that we all agree. That way it is easier, quicker, and less costly to condemn those who disagree without position." Pollsters also indicate that the other position "appears more polarized from a polarized position." Statistical radicalization "...resists decay best in an environment where middle options are few. And the mob-behavior of radicals gathers momentum and inertia quicker when there is no distracting middle ground; and even no other option given time, space, or notice." David Blocker, DNP of the DNC said today.

Exactly what was done today is not yet public, but the effect is that while Minnesota voters can express any idea, preference, need, or opinion that they wish, the DNP of the DNC will simply not report it in national statistics. That way issues that affect Minnesota can be "harbored" from influencing national politics, Blocker said. "Harboring" is expected to be quite popular. It will make it appear that nobody except the party mainliners have any appreciable background motivating their positions. No Minnesota spokespeople will receive air time unless their protests can be easily mistaken for variants on the national platforms. That way they can be safely patronized. National figures can then feel the momentum of their own voice and look to their future comments. "Wall to wall" broadcasting, across all channels should make even any stray centrist voice seem like a stray, and local stations can simply respond to statistical models to remove such programing by the time of the next news cycle.

Justification for the new national policy is that the Minnesota positions are not representative of the majority of the DNP/DNC in the first place. And the Minnesota DFL has a history of voicing its thoughts and concerns no matter what the slim prospects of winning. (DNP/DNC still don't want to talk about the Humphrey Presidential campaign. And don't even mention Harold Stassen who ran for President several times nationally. The national party thinks that it has the "problem of the North" finally solved once and for all.)

Minnesotians can freely post what ever placards they want in their own front yards. But any national activity they want to participate in has to be registered from either Wisconsin, Iowa, or one of the Dakotas. (At press time it had not yet been determined whether one or both of the Dakota's would be "harbored" too.)

Will their be any complaints heard from Minnesota? Well, not "heard."

What's ahead? The DNP/DNC will appear younger, more driven by conviction and fashion, less historically circumspect, quicker at arriving at its new life-long convictions, and ironically, more tolerant. (Actual tolerance takes to long and is too painful. Neo-tolorance is much more dynamic political capital -- once known as plantation politics.) But in national forums a token Minnesotian (perhaps really someone from Nebraska--to be safe) will be featured to give the illusion of universal suffrage. A bit of debate will seem to emerge just before going to commercial.)

From now on nationally faithful viewers won't have to scroll through the channels to find what to agree with. And "they won't be troubled by stubling upon statistically insignificant positions. Nor will ideas not framed by national patters of debate need to be confonted. Viewing and participating will be easier and more pleasant." National-Ad-forum (a policy decision body) released today.

"The Democratic Party will soon speak with one voice." Blocker beamed.

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Originally posted by TGB

Pow: "...out of party spirit..." (Philippians 1:16)

Tom: "...it's my party and I'll block if I want to, block if I want to..." (Patsy Kline)

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Originally posted by fred

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Originally posted by Kenya

I do not know who to address this to, but I have a complaint. One of the members named Honorman is constantly harrassing me every time I post. He has told me to leave and get out of here, he has called me a hypocrite, co-dependent, and sad. He has also called me some other things that I can't remember, but they have all been slams against me and very derogatory and RUDE!! I do not know how to join in any conversation here without this man harrassing me with rude comments towards everything I say. It is very aggravating. Thank you for your time.

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Here's Christ's answer. (Matthew 18)

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A Brother Who Sins Against You

15 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. 16 But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
18 "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
19 "Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. 20For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."

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This is part of the by-laws of the "Community of the Cross" (the Church). The Cross HURTS, but it is much better than Facism. While Facism "makes the trains run on time" in Italy, the Cross redeems.

Notice that both Facism and the Cross promise to not leave you alone. (Ultimately, as a Christian ministry, this board has an administrator who can ask someone to leave; but...) In the "Community of the Cross" you can ask others to go with you to help in the restoration of relationship. In Facism you have technology.

Choose wisely.


Judging from what I've seen over and over here, the Cross is quite active and effective. I'd put my faith in it!

I'd put my faith in the Cross!

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Romans 12:20

On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." [ 12:20 Prov. 25:21,22]

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A Brother Who Sins Against You

15 "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. 16 But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

18 "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
19 "Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. 20For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."

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This is part of the by-laws of the "Community of the Cross" (the Church). The Cross HURTS, but it is much better than Facism. While Facism "makes the trains run on time" in Italy, the Cross redeems.
Notice that both Facism and the Cross promise to not leave you alone. (Ultimately, as a Christian ministry, this board has an administrator who can ask someone to leave; but...) In the "Community of the Cross" you can ask others to go with you to help in the restoration of relationship. In Facism you have technology.

Choose wisely.

Judging from what I've seen over and over here, the Cross is quite active and effective. I'd put my faith in it!

I'd put my faith in the Cross!

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The more I think about it, the more I think that he’s right…in the following manner. I firmly DO believe that the Block feature should remain here. Simply because this is a forum or EVERYONE, not just nice people and not just Christians (I separate the two categories because, obviously NOT all Christians are nice) Thus, it may be necessary to block some people who are just too assinine to listen to reason or deal with…

HOWEVER…

If we are dealing with the Christian community, then the rules should apply in all relationships…EVEN ONLINE ONES. This is the truth, I believe. Just because we don’t see each other face to face doesn’t mean that this doesn’t, in some way, constitute a community of Christians. So, perhaps what Fred is talking about it quite valid and this SHOULD be the approach for doing this. We truly should try to speak to the people offending us one on one, in love. If that doesn’t work, perhaps getting with another person here and trying, and so on and so forth.

BUT HERE’S WHERE THE KICKER STARTS…

People here who just keep doing offending behavior are going to have to learn to deal with OPEN, PUBLIC REBUKE! If we really are going to go all the way with the Christian model, then bringing it before the community IS the thing to do. In other words, if a person really is CONTINUALLY acting an a$$ and people keep trying to tell him about it privately, but nothing changes, a Christian is quite free to PUBLICLY POST his or her problems with that person to the WHOLE GROUP so that this may be openly discuss. And the ALL OF THE PEOPLE that feel the same way about that person should speak up! Moreover, if that doesn’t work, then that person is to be, at least for a time, EXPELLED from the community. This would either be by the administrator BANNING the person from the board entirely…or EVERYONE on the board agreeing to BLOCK the person.

Now, listen up, people. Some of us here KNOW that we are the problem people that caused this whole fiasco. I could start spoutin’ names right now, but I don’t think I need to. WE ALL KNOW WHO THEY ARE! Let’s not fool ourselves. So, for those people, are you willing to go through this process? See, ultimately it’s more discretionary to deal with just being blocked by a FEW people, than to have your uncharitable flaws talked about PUBLICLY because you would listen to a couple of your Christian siblings. And it’s a lot more discretionary then having you completely banned or UNIFORMLY blocked by ALL.

So, if we are really going to do the Christian model, let’s go all the way. And let’s take this thinking to its furthest conclusions.

Are some of you READY for this? I really wonder. I'm down to try it, though



Be careful what you ask for. You just might get it!
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Originally posted by Tigress

I fear that I have been blocked by people here already even though I've apologized for my sins and tried to discuss things decently. This being a Christian community, I had hoped that people could sense that a lot of my zealousness and vigor in discussing certain topics came out of the pain I was going through and that therefore people would grant me grace. But, to be blocked only compounds the pain. Please don't do that to me or anyone.

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Originally posted by Kenya

The blocking feature is very odd and unusual, but then I have found this to be a very odd and unusal website altogether. It reminds me of a child who sticks his fingers in his ears when being scolded and says "I'm not listening, I'm not listening." Tigress, personally I don't see what sins you've committed? I saw in the submission topic that you shared your believes, but I don't think you sinned against anyone! This "community" is only "Christian" in name, not in behavior.

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Originally posted by Fleetwood

It's a hoot in here! This block feature is not necessary, IMO.

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Originally posted by Fleetwood

DL, you still at the other forum?

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Originally posted by Fleetwood

It's a hoot in here! This block feature is not necessary, IMO.

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Originally posted by Kenya

The blocking feature is very odd and unusual, but then I have found this to be a very odd and unusal website altogether. It reminds me of a child who sticks his fingers in his ears when being scolded and says "I'm not listening, I'm not listening." Tigress, personally I don't see what sins you've committed? I saw in the submission topic that you shared your believes, but I don't think you sinned against anyone! This "community" is only "Christian" in name, not in behavior.

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