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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 8/29/2003 11:06 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
repented of...


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Post Edited (PotOnWheel) : 10/17/2009 10:03:10 AM (GMT-5)

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   Posted 8/29/2003 11:11 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Are you just commenting on how no one will be able to have a full and informed discussion when some people's input is ignored? If so, I agree with you. I can't see how a person could read through a thread and understand completely what's going on when not all of the people contributing to the thread are being heard. It's like trying to read a novel with some of the paragraphs blacked out. You can't fully understand the story unless you're able to read everything, or else the end won't make any sense to you or have any real meaning.


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   Posted 8/29/2003 4:19 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
not that I'm defending this feature but...

Speaking to the point Tigress made...

That's why I put a link the block message. That way if you can't figure out what's been said, you can take a quick peek at the blocked message to see what that person said.

Whatever...Researching


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turner
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   Posted 8/30/2003 3:48 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Originally posted by PotOnWheel

Still sounds "Clinton-esque" to me!



See this?

quote:
August 29, 2003

Minnesota Democratic Party Confined to the Buffer

(Washingmachine, D&C -- reporting by Mineappleous Tribute, Ink)

In a move reminiscent of the Bill and Hilary Convention a decade ago the Democratic National Party today set in motion a system that insures that the rest of the country can largely ignore Minnesota. During that ill fated convention of ten years ago the unusual representation on the Minnesota delegation of Pro-Life advocates was successfully derailed and their voices silenced from influencing national politics. That was the beginning of polarization in the Democratic Party nationally; and also an early indication of the predominant polarization and radicalizing of each party with an emptying of the traditional "middle."

Party workers site convenience as a precipitating factor. Having to listen to those of different views is a pain; and it is irritating to see "middlers suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous dissent." It is much more effective to the goals that "everyone should have to let it appear that we all agree. That way it is easier, quicker, and less costly to condemn those who disagree without position." Pollsters also indicate that the other position "appears more polarized from a polarized position." Statistical radicalization "...resists decay best in an environment where middle options are few. And the mob-behavior of radicals gathers momentum and inertia quicker when there is no distracting middle ground; and even no other option given time, space, or notice." David Blocker, DNP of the DNC said today.

Exactly what was done today is not yet public, but the effect is that while Minnesota voters can express any idea, preference, need, or opinion that they wish, the DNP of the DNC will simply not report it in national statistics. That way issues that affect Minnesota can be "harbored" from influencing national politics, Blocker said. "Harboring" is expected to be quite popular. It will make it appear that nobody except the party mainliners have any appreciable background motivating their positions. No Minnesota spokespeople will receive air time unless their protests can be easily mistaken for variants on the national platforms. That way they can be safely patronized. National figures can then feel the momentum of their own voice and look to their future comments. "Wall to wall" broadcasting, across all channels should make even any stray centrist voice seem like a stray, and local stations can simply respond to statistical models to remove such programing by the time of the next news cycle.

Justification for the new national policy is that the Minnesota positions are not representative of the majority of the DNP/DNC in the first place. And the Minnesota DFL has a history of voicing its thoughts and concerns no matter what the slim prospects of winning. (DNP/DNC still don't want to talk about the Humphrey Presidential campaign. And don't even mention Harold Stassen who ran for President several times nationally. The national party thinks that it has the "problem of the North" finally solved once and for all.)

Minnesotians can freely post what ever placards they want in their own front yards. But any national activity they want to participate in has to be registered from either Wisconsin, Iowa, or one of the Dakotas. (At press time it had not yet been determined whether one or both of the Dakota's would be "harbored" too.)

Will their be any complaints heard from Minnesota? Well, not "heard."

What's ahead? The DNP/DNC will appear younger, more driven by conviction and fashion, less historically circumspect, quicker at arriving at its new life-long convictions, and ironically, more tolerant. (Actual tolerance takes to long and is too painful. Neo-tolorance is much more dynamic political capital -- once known as plantation politics.) But in national forums a token Minnesotian (perhaps really someone from Nebraska--to be safe--will be featured to give the illusion of universal suffrage. A bit of debate will seem to emerge just before going to commercial.)

From now on nationally faithful viewers won't have to scroll through the channels to find what to agree with. And "they won't be troubled by stubling upon statistically insignificant positions. Nor will ideas not framed by national patters of debate need to be confonted. Viewing and participating will be easier and more pleasant." National-Ad-forum (a policy decision body) released today.

"The Democratic Party will soon speak with one voice." Blocker beamed.



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GregBoyd
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   Posted 8/30/2003 7:06 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
How can giving someone the ability to ignore someone else be "clintoneque"? If someone OTHER THAN YOURSELF blocked you from seeing SOMEONE ELSE'S post -- THAT would be "clintoneque" (though I don't know why its CLINTONesque... but I'll use POW's term for the time being). If you don't like the feature, don't use it.

Personally, I think it reflects immaturity to have to "block" someone elses post. But I also think its fine to give people the power to do this if they so choose.

Greg

ps. i've blocked everyone but myself on this board because i only like to hear myself... its less frustrating that wayEvil Tongue


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   Posted 8/30/2003 7:28 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Originally posted by GregBoyd

ps. i've blocked everyone but myself on this board because i only like to hear myself... its less frustrating that wayEvil Tongue



You would...Wink


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"Corporations are simply the kind of structure that rises when hordes of people need to be managed, and after spending some time in a large church, I've found that our spirituality does not exempt us from these inefficient and dehumanizing practices."--Steve Lansingh's review of "The Office" at The Film Form

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DLW
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   Posted 8/30/2003 8:19 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Another point would be that by allowing each member to dangle the potential of a block over each other's head, that may be an incentive for others to be more civil...

dlw


Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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Tom
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   Posted 8/30/2003 9:48 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
DLW: Another point would be that by allowing each member to dangle the potential of a block over each other's head, that may be an incentive for others to be more civil...

Tom: Or maybe introduce another category for "Blocked Members" to talk to each other?

Bandit

(OK, it was supposed to be funny.)
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   Posted 8/30/2003 12:32 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
PoW [to Tom]: ONLY post to you when I truely believe that I've thought something through.

Electra: PoW, I want to believe you. But here are a few things that make it difficult for me to believe that you only post after thinking something through:

1) Relevance: I often can’t see how your posts respond to the topic of a particular thread or a particular post. When I don’t see the relevance, I must admit, I don’t take it as seriously. I confess this is a weakness on my part, but it is as much a function of finitude (limited time, energy, and ability) as it is fallibility.

2) Volume: The sheer volume of your posts also biases me against believing you. Perhaps I am projecting my own limitations onto you, but it is also difficult for me to fathom how someone could post so many thousands of times and seriously think through even a faction of them.

3) Quotes: When you post long quotes, it doesn’t seem like you think through your responses enough to put them in your own words. If you expect others to read all your posts, please show some respect for their time and their expressed interests.

PoW [to Tom]: Don't "block" me -- I'm NEVER mean!!!

Electra: Again, I want to believe you. But sometimes your posts do strike me as mean-spirited because of the harsh things you have said about others’ views, character, and even faith commitment.

Sorry if I am out of line here. Since you exhorted us all to continue reading all your posts, I thought you might be interested in the factors that discourage me from reading your posts. I will try to read them as charitably as I can, trusting that you are putting thought into them and that you do not intend to be mean. In turn, it would make it much easier for me to believe you if you addressed some of my concerns above regarding increased relevance, decreased volume, and taking the time to put things in your own words.

Electra


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DLW
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   Posted 8/30/2003 4:08 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
So Pow, is this article for real or is it a joke?

I passed it along to others thinking it was true.


I think a good deal of the problem is that you, like the E. Orthodox Church, are just a little too anal-retentive on maintaining continuity with past-tradition, often on issues that are not essential to the Christian faith and so disagreements escalate too easily cause you hold so strongly to your beliefs and the importance of fidelity to tradition.

I'd think you'd get more of a hearing if you didn't post as much or doctor it visually in such a manner as to manipulate the reader emotionally. I have felt as if you were screaming at me at times, even if this was a misinterpretation of your intention that was the message that was being received.

anyways,
I plan to not post too much in the days ahead and to stick to more political topics, in lieu of my time responsibilities.

The young adults at my church are doing something tonight but they all forgot to contact me so I could get a ride to it.

That has made me down cause I do need social interaction and it is hard to find it with people my own age here in MX.

dlw


Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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Tom
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   Posted 8/30/2003 6:54 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
PoW: For my part, what I'd like to spotlight is memory of all the times that through discussion (this IS a discussion board) parties DO come to reason together, to join in fellowship dispite holding different ideas. And in THAT the Gospel is made alive!!!

Tom: This will continue to happen after the block feature has been implimented.

I appreciate Doc's thought that it is a sign of immaturity to block somebody (but not immature to simply refuse to ever read a peson's posts). I honestly see absolutely no difference in these. To refuse to read what's there is a block feature of the mind not all that different from physically blocking them.

Tom
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   Posted 8/31/2003 3:50 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
quote:
Originally posted by Electra

PoW [to Tom]: ONLY post to you when I truely believe that I've thought something through.

Electra: PoW, I want to believe you. But here are a few things that make it difficult for me to believe that you only post after thinking something through:

1) Relevance: I often can’t see how your posts respond to the topic of a particular thread or a particular post. When I don’t see the relevance, I must admit, I don’t take it as seriously. I confess this is a weakness on my part, but it is as much a function of finitude (limited time, energy, and ability) as it is fallibility.

2) Volume: The sheer volume of your posts also biases me against believing you. Perhaps I am projecting my own limitations onto you, but it is also difficult for me to fathom how someone could post so many thousands of times and seriously think through even a faction of them.

3) Quotes: When you post long quotes, it doesn’t seem like you think through your responses enough to put them in your own words. If you expect others to read all your posts, please show some respect for their time and their expressed interests.

PoW [to Tom]: Don't "block" me -- I'm NEVER mean!!!

Electra: Again, I want to believe you. But sometimes your posts do strike me as mean-spirited because of the harsh things you have said about others’ views, character, and even faith commitment.

Sorry if I am out of line here. Since you exhorted us all to continue reading all your posts, I thought you might be interested in the factors that discourage me from reading your posts. I will try to read them as charitably as I can, trusting that you are putting thought into them and that you do not intend to be mean. In turn, it would make it much easier for me to believe you if you addressed some of my concerns above regarding increased relevance, decreased volume, and taking the time to put things in your own words.

Electra



Dear Electra, rule one is that things pertaining to you personally pertain to you. If you wish to suggest, at the time, that something posted relative you your comments and a conversation you are having needs--from where you sit--to be different, then that is the time to say so.

As to what you said, I understand it all. But I am also savey enough to know more than onde "design scheme" and how to use them. Juxtaposition, simultaneous contrast, interuption-continuation, etc. (Or even just posting a thought 'on the fly'--as is all our right!) I count the cost of various strategies, and weight them against what is possible to benefit, or what is simply not possible any other way.

Meph does well in voicing his preferences. But even then it is sometimes the case that he asks me to change what I'm saying to fit the stream of the ocnversation he is having. When that is possible WITHOUT CHANGING THE MEANING OF MY INPUT then I do that. But I am also sharp enough to know when meaning wouold be changed by shifting the framework of a thing. And at the level of many of this board's discussions THAT is the "whole ball game."

I'm free -- as all here are -- to post on a page something that *I* wish to continue to consider within the context of the page it is posted on. That, of course, is called "journaling" (alla Toby Fulweiler) -- "making meaning." When I do that it behooves me not to care first about other's feelings about such a post...just their thoughts. But if someone does not connect, then there is the 'next guy' (And that next guy might be me.)

DLW has sometimes been mystified (?) at how I could run a string of threads without very much input from other people. The Journalling/making-meaning thing was at work. This board is good for that!!!

So, my dear friend Electra, if you don't see the 'relevance' be comforted that there is no test on Monday. The text may only come in the '301 course.'

As to 'sheer volume', the time is mine and I own it. I make many, many different kinds of posts. And sometimes just for fun. But the serious ones have serious thought.

A recurrent comment is my not making posts in my own words. The persons saying that are confused of their own thoughts. I do so a lot. And it is especially those -- perhaps -- that are trated badly. My post (from an insiders perspective) in simple words on Calvinism, and how Calvin saw it, were consigned to the commedy page by TGB. That was a shame. He knows more the militant hot-house mutations (I pitty him for enduring their brutality--he's described.) I couldn't have been simpler or briefer, or more 'in my own words." So--that proves that size doesn't matter.

Electra: "...your posts do strike me as mean-spirited because of the harsh things you have said about others’ views, character, and even faith commitment." Don't take up an offense for others. (Bill Gothard) And speak to specifics AT THE TIME.

But an unsettled topic, with many on each side is whether it is Christian or non-Christian to call sin "sin." There are at least five or six on EACH side of that one. As for me, I don't push a topic like that unless I can tell that I'm not the only one pushing it at that time. I wait a bit to see what other people are saying. I read carefully both what those who I am agreeing with are saying, and what those I am arguing with are saying.

Keep in mind the feelings that often come with being on a 'side' of a discussion.

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   Posted 8/31/2003 4:00 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
quote:
Originally posted by DLW

So Pow, is this article for real or is it a joke?

I passed it along to others thinking it was true.


COOL!!!!


quote:
Originally posted by DLW

I think a good deal of the problem is that you, like the E. Orthodox Church, are just a little too anal-retentive on maintaining continuity with past-tradition, often on issues that are not essential to the Christian faith and so disagreements escalate too easily cause you hold so strongly to your beliefs and the importance of fidelity to tradition.

Dave, what you could realize more fully is that what is "not essential" to you, IS TO YOU. And how are you going to understand whether it is or not to others. You compartmentalize and pigeon-holl with the best of them. Epistemologically, what you call "contuinuity" with respect to time-line is really an inner coherency that spans a wide variety of manifestations. (Irenaeus said as much in defense of Christianity and its wide range of expressions, proving its truth.)


quote:
Originally posted by DLW

I'd think you'd get more of a hearing if you didn't post as much or doctor it visually in such a manner as to manipulate the reader emotionally. I have felt as if you were screaming at me at times, even if this was a misinterpretation of your intention that was the message that was being received.

I do what I do. Lots of meaning is visual. That's what I do. (It is not to be taken automatically as 'shouting.') That is also the reason why I edit the visual design of some posts several times. Its what I do.

quote:
Originally posted by DLW

The young adults at my church are doing something tonight but they all forgot to contact me so I could get a ride to it. That has made me down cause I do need social interaction and it is hard to find it with people my own age here in MX.

I pray for you, Dave. (For the social, professional, and especially because of this multi-font/size posting jerk that keeps giving you a hard time!!! Smile)

Thanks!

Love you, brother.
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Tom
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   Posted 8/31/2003 4:09 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Turner? Gee whiz, Pow, another alias I missed, but the the MO is the same.

Tom
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SIM
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   Posted 8/31/2003 5:39 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
How incredibly BORING this forum would be if all the "OV" believers did not consider/respond to others' beliefs!

After all, how do we as believers, think deeply about our beliefs unless we are considering others' beliefs. (Kinda like any of those threads that have counter-anything in their title). I don't think it can happen!

Iron sharpens iron, in a sense, when we express our viewpoints.

MOST IMPORTANTLY: NurseHow dow we know how to pray for people?Big Smile(Only half-kidding)

Respectfully submitted


Psalm 139:4 "Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O LORD."

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   Posted 8/31/2003 9:48 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
quote:
Originally posted by turner

quote:
Originally posted by DLW

So Pow, is this article for real or is it a joke?

I passed it along to others thinking it was true.


COOL!!!!


So I'm guessing it was for real then can you provide more background on it? I know MN Democrats tend to be more liberal but I don't know if they are more pro-life?

quote:

quote:
Originally posted by DLW

I think a good deal of the problem is that you, like the E. Orthodox Church, are just a little too anal-retentive on maintaining continuity with past-tradition, often on issues that are not essential to the Christian faith and so disagreements escalate too easily cause you hold so strongly to your beliefs and the importance of fidelity to tradition.

Dave, what you could realize more fully is that what is "not essential" to you, IS TO YOU. And how are you going to understand whether it is or not to others. You compartmentalize and pigeon-holl with the best of them. Epistemologically, what you call "contuinuity" with respect to time-line is really an inner coherency that spans a wide variety of manifestations. (Irenaeus said as much in defense of Christianity and its wide range of expressions, proving its truth.)


Yeah, which is why unity over essentials, freedom over non-essentials is kind of spurious since it presumes unity over what is and isn't essential. Of course, just because something isn't essential doesn't mean it isn't important. The problem of eccelesiastical order is all about the essentialness of non-essentials regarding how we as Christians let our lights shine in this world.

I don't know about the inner coherency bit..ResearchingQuestion We do tend to couch new ideas/concepts in terms of those that we are familiar withSimp_Grandpa.
quote:

quote:
Originally posted by DLW

I'd think you'd get more of a hearing if you didn't post as much or doctor it visually in such a manner as to manipulate the reader emotionally. I have felt as if you were screaming at me at times, even if this was a misinterpretation of your intention that was the message that was being received.

I do what I do. Lots of meaning is visual. That's what I do. (It is not to be taken automatically as 'shouting.') That is also the reason why I edit the visual design of some posts several times. Its what I do.


Well, I mean, as an artist, have you considered working on projects to assist teh Eastern Orthodox Church in their internet ministry or starting up your own web-page devoted to this? It might be good to focus on trying to reach people who are seeking knowledge of the sort you purvey?
quote:

quote:
Originally posted by DLW

The young adults at my church are doing something tonight but they all forgot to contact me so I could get a ride to it. That has made me down cause I do need social interaction and it is hard to find it with people my own age here in MX.

I pray for you, Dave. (For the social, professional, and especially because of this multi-font/size posting jerk that keeps giving you a hard time!!! Smile)

Thanks!

Love you, brother.



So is Turner your real last name, Al? I'm going to ask my uncle about you.Viking

thankyou,
I appreciate the prayers. Yesterday was kind of tough, but today I formally was accepted as a member of my church here in MX and so now I can accept communion(it is patterned a bit after a Southern Baptist Church and so only members can take communion, something that bothered me a bit. I probably would have become a member sooner but I thought I had to assent to some long list of theological statements and wouldn't be able to do so...

dlw


Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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   Posted 8/31/2003 9:53 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I would like to encourage TGB and others at the board to employ a "mixed" strategy regarding Al. Perhaps block all names but Turner and only block Turner in the future if Al starts to get a bit carried away with manifesting the inner coherency that gets his engine going like so...Borg1

dlwBandit2


Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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   Posted 8/31/2003 11:12 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
SIM:How incredibly BORING this forum would be if all the "OV" believers did not consider/respond to others' beliefs!

Tom: Nobody uses the block feature to avoid the beliefs of others. If that was the person's wish, they wouldn't visit the board at all. It's not about only reading what you agree with and blocking what you disagree with.

Tom
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DLW
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   Posted 8/31/2003 3:11 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yes, but now that we have the block-threat and demonstrated our willingness to use it, I think we could give Al another chance as turner...

Unless you've blocked me too...

dlw


Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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   Posted 8/31/2003 3:36 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
turner: Dear Electra, rule one is that things pertaining to you personally pertain to you. If you wish to suggest, at the time, that something posted relative you your comments and a conversation you are having needs--from where you sit--to be different, then that is the time to say so.

Electra: Ok. I just don't have much patience for "meta" posts--talking about talking. If you are really serious about listening to specific suggestions as they arise, it might be worth the effort. But if this response is any indication, I can expect a lot of rationalization and little or no willingness to accommodate. Why should I bother sharing specific concerns as they come up now that you have made it clear that you are content to exercise your own freedom and use your own time as you see fit anyway?

turner: I'm free -- as all here are -- to post on a page something that *I* wish to continue to consider within the context of the page it is posted on. That, of course, is called "journaling" (alla Toby Fulweiler) -- "making meaning." When I do that it behooves me not to care first about other's feelings about such a post...just their thoughts. But if someone does not connect, then there is the 'next guy' (And that next guy might be me.)

Electra: It certainly is up to you how you use your time. But just be realistic that others' simply don't have the amount of time on their hands to read your meaning making/journaling.

turner: Don't take up an offense for others.

Electra: Am I not my brother's keeper?

turner: But an unsettled topic, with many on each side is whether it is Christian or non-Christian to call sin "sin." There are at least five or six on EACH side of that one...in mind the feelings that often come with being on a 'side' of a discussion.

Electra: I must confess that I am mystified by the whole "side" dynamic, and sometimes it gets me into trouble. I often manage to end up very much alone when it comes to my view on a particular issue, but I like to think I'm on everyone's side nevertheless.

Peace,
Electra


Love in action is a harsh and dreadful thing. ~ Dostoevsky

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   Posted 8/31/2003 4:47 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
quote:
quote:
Originally posted by DLW

So Pow, is this article for real or is it a joke?

I passed it along to others thinking it was true.


COOL!!!!

So I'm guessing it was for real then can you provide more background on it? I know MN Democrats tend to be more liberal but I don't know if they are more pro-life?


1. Historically (or real life for us gray-beards) the Clinton's did this. Look it up. The Minnesota delegation was somewhere from 20-40% pro-life. The Clinton's engineered the convention to streamline their message. But that made it 'their' convention, and NOT the people's.

2. I wrote it.


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  • August 29, 2003, Minnesota Democratic Party Confined to the Buffer, (Washingmachine, D&C -- reporting by Mineappleous Tribute, Ink)
  • David Blocker
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POW/Turner: I feel your pain...
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Electra
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PoW, As I said earlier, I will do my best to interpret you as charitably as possible, but I must admit that it is difficult for me to resist taking offense at you.

I have tried to offer some reasons why people might ignore your posts. You have dismissed them all and suggested instead that people who ignore you are sinful, and/or too young to tolerate difference, and that I am patronizing and invasive.

Why did you invoke the passage in Matthew about how Christians should confront one another? Was it because you were genuinely open to receiving correction or because you wanted to indict those who have chosen to ignore you for not being Christian enough? It is clear you are going to do whatever you damn well please regardless of the concerns expressed by members of this particular community.

I won’t block you PoW, but I will struggle with reading your posts charitably for all the reasons I mentioned previously, and unfortunately, this interaction has added to the struggle rather than lessening it as I had hoped.

Electra


Love in action is a harsh and dreadful thing. ~ Dostoevsky

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quote:
Originally posted by Electra

PoW, As I said earlier, I will do my best to interpret you as charitably as possible, but I must admit that it is difficult for me to resist taking offense at you.


Then you should take honorman's advice and "let it drop." As I said above, if there is something SPECIFIC then that can be talked about. (Like when I suggested that your post about our movie-making brother contained inuendo--that you might want to reflect on whether or not to repent. You might raise the issue of whether or not I went to far in saying that) Substance, not feelings. Life experiences are too diverse to expect that the internet will have the same level of comfort as your living room or close group of friends. (A Christian faith is one that can be lived on the freeway outside of O'Hare airport, or in the parking lot at SouthDale. Bumps and all. honorman is a good role model.)

quote:
Originally posted by Electra

I have tried to offer some reasons why people might ignore your posts. You have dismissed them all and suggested instead that people who ignore you are sinful, and/or too young to tolerate difference, and that I am patronizing and invasive.

1. I didn't ASK you to offer suggestions. That is a problem.
2. I NEVER suggested that people who don't look at my posts are sinful. I said that if a group of people gather together for the purpose of shutting out someone their actions are "party spirit." That is a sin. (What got into you to make you say such a thing?)
3. Youth is an issue. honorman and I can say that--you can't.
4. Offering suggestions is not "invasive." But being pushy and condemnatory in tone at the same time, when not invited, IS.
(5. You abused your 'title' in a few posts too.)


quote:
Originally posted by Electra

Why did you invoke the passage in Matthew about how Christians should confront one another? Was it because you were genuinely open to receiving correction or because you wanted to indict those who have chosen to ignore you for not being Christian enough? It is clear you are going to do whatever you damn well please regardless of the concerns expressed by members of this particular community.

1. The passage in Matthew DIFFERS from what went on here yesterday in that the Matthew passage had as its goal the CHURCH. What went on here yesterday had as its goal the GROUP. The CHURCH is inclusive of vast difersity. The GROUP insists on conformity. The CHURCH is ecstatic. The GROUP is comfort oriented. When you sware at me and say "whatever you damn well please" you do so for your own self, and your percieved "gang"; NOT for Christ. Matthew includes the step of moving from the individual or the small group to the important step of submitting to the leading of the Church--the ecclessia/clergy who have received by laying on of hands the leading of the Holy Spirit. That step comes before any coming before the congregation. The final "congregational" step is a discipline step, and not one of discernment. Many comments yesterday were GANG statements. They were entirely unfounded on Matthew 18. My mentioning it was NOT a "wanted to indict"; but to correct and point out that what was happening was far from Biblical!


quote:
Originally posted by Electra

I won’t block you PoW, but I will struggle with reading your posts charitably for all the reasons I mentioned previously, and unfortunately, this interaction has added to the struggle rather than lessening it as I had hoped.

take honorman's advice, and shift to another focus. This all should be "dropped." It is time for everyone to "move on."

There is no such thing as "my posts." There is only "this" post or "that" post. Why should I be disappointed if you don't read a post that is not good for you to read. "No skin off my nose." But if you read a post of mine that happens to be good for you, then yippeee. (Whether I ever learn of it or not doesn't even matter.)

"Let it drop."



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