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Tiggers
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| Posted 6/1/2004 11:33 AM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
Originally posted by DLW
It might be worth considering that if CVM isn't going to invest as much in the board that the board become a sub-forum specialized on OVTheism at another board, like TheologyWeb, which does have a good number of OVTheists in its leadership, though they tend to be dispensationalists.
dlw
Hey DLW,
While I believe C.V. is changing, and we have lost some old members…well, that just leaves room for new blood and new ideas, dig? I'm not so sure it's a horrible place to chill and dialog, DLW? In other words, I’m not sure C.V.’s forum should be just throne into the theologyweb pot, i.e., I’m afraid it will just get swallowed up and loose its friendly & unique character (e.g. Wallmart with small town businesses). I’m not totally against the idea, but the risk may be to high…ya know?
Warmly in Christ,
Tiggers 
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quest for truth
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| Posted 6/1/2004 11:43 AM (GMT -6) | | DLWquote:
It might be worth considering that if CVM isn't going to invest as much in the board that the board become a sub-forum specialized on OVTheism at another board, like TheologyWeb, which does have a good number of OVTheists in its leadership, though they tend to be dispensationalists.
John Earpquote:
This board doesn't seem to me to be broke; why try to fix it?
I enjoy the topics discussed here. For me, although I welcome the new, I miss the old. I miss those who are no longer here. I miss the contributions of those who have decided to take a break away -- they are not replaceable. It reminds me of an old Girl Scout song "Make new friends but keep the old, some are silver and the others gold." Corny perhaps but true.
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Hey all,
Quest, i feel your pain.... I do miss folks like Modes, Icon, Meph, and Doc. I haven't really been around much here lately as well, life just gets hectic. But I am hoping to get back into the discussions as time allows.
Peace, Ross
Thanks, Ross. I know how hectic and busy life can get! This board is a low priority in the scheme of my entire day and life but I enjoy the time I can find to read and learn. I am still hoping that others, like yourself, will eventually come back when the season in their life allows. | | Back to Top | | |
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Tiggers
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| Posted 6/3/2004 6:32 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Tigress
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Originally posted by TiggersPSS
I was visiting the Cities this Memorial weekend and tried to find woodland hills new (i.e. to me) building. I was given directions to take 694 to White Bear and go south and take a left on aughhhh now I forget the st. name Woodland was to be on. Anyways, we couldn’t find it, sheesh, I first chance to worship with many of you and I couldn’t even find it. Next time…!
Hi Tiggers!
It's 694 to White Bear Avenue going south and you turn left (east) on Ripley which takes you straight to the church. I'm sorry you missed it. If it makes you feel any better, I slept in and missed church, too and feel really bad about it...especially since I missed last week, also. I have a problem with sleeping in.  (sigh)
Thanks Tigress, & don't feel to bad about sleeping in. I think many of us have been there. Sheesh, if I didn't have to be at one every morning, I'd probably sleep in a time or two also! God bless ya, girl!
Warmly in Christ,
Tiggers 
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Matthew Timothy Short
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| Posted 6/9/2004 12:43 AM (GMT -6) | | Hey Tiggers,
Weird, long ago meant someone skilled in witchcraft and later came to mean fate or destiny, especially ill fortune.
Where have some of the "old" members gone?
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quest for truth
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| Posted 6/10/2004 7:42 AM (GMT -6) | | | Okay, Tim, I'll admit it... I am the SLOW one here. I still don't understand. Could you explain again? Thank you. | | Back to Top | | |
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Tigress
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Tom
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GregBoyd
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| Posted 6/10/2004 6:26 PM (GMT -6) | | Hi ya'll.
I really appreciate being missed. I think good discussions are still occuring here and CVM is still happy to host this forum. But I too have a tinge of nostalgia over "the old days" when I, Meph, Modes, etc. etc... bantered about. For me personally it was a "following the Spirit" stewardship of time and emotional resources kind of thing. I just was (and am) spread too thin. God directed me to invest more elsewhere. I've gotten a lot of good, inspired writing in the last six months since withdrawing from the board as a regular participant.
BUT, I have to also say, in total honesty, that I've come to question the legitimacy of virtual-reality talk. At least two problems have presented themselves to me.
a) It is obvious to me that some people, for whatever reasons, can't fully enter into the fact that the board is about ideas, not people. Hence they take criticisms of ideas as though they're criticisms of THEM -- even though, in principle, no one knows (or should know) THEM. Maybe they're just wounded, needy people. Or maybe the very concept of "de-personalized" talk is wrong-headed. Maybe we are wired by God to BE incarnated in our speech, so the idea of "de-personalized" speech is misguided. I honestly don't know. What I DO know is that I and others grow weary of the constant "I'm offended" thing. I, and others, just don't havethe time to constantly try to clean up wounds created by virtual-reality talk.
b) The very universality of a web site concerns me. ANYONE can talk to ANYONE. There is a wonderful possibility in this, but there's also a real danger. Some of the people who have logged onto this site are scary, at least in terms of their demeanor. IN real life, we self-select our fellowship. Here, its a bit more difficult. Of course, people can choose simply not to respond. Once you're "hooked" in a discussion, its difficult.
Again, I don't know. I'm just rambling. But what I do know is that the spirit of some of the more hostile people who come on this thread take away time and energy and emotion if I (or you) engage them. And, in my case, its time and energy and emotion that I have come to believe is (at least for now) better spent elsewhere.
If the board helps you, I encourage you to stay with it. If it doesn't, I encourage you to find what will. More specially, if a thread is stimulating, encouraging, expanding, and profitable, go with it. If its not, dump it.
Because life is precious and very very short.
God bless you all.
Greg
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1Heart
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| Posted 6/10/2004 9:14 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by GregBoyd
Hi ya'll.
I really appreciate being missed. I think good discussions are still occuring here and CVM is still happy to host this forum. But I too have a tinge of nostalgia over "the old days" when I, Meph, Modes, etc. etc... bantered about. For me personally it was a "following the Spirit" stewardship of time and emotional resources kind of thing. I just was (and am) spread too thin. God directed me to invest more elsewhere. I've gotten a lot of good, inspired writing in the last six months since withdrawing from the board as a regular participant.
BUT, I have to also say, in total honesty, that I've come to question the legitimacy of virtual-reality talk. At least two problems have presented themselves to me.
a) It is obvious to me that some people, for whatever reasons, can't fully enter into the fact that the board is about ideas, not people. Hence they take criticisms of ideas as though they're criticisms of THEM -- even though, in principle, no one knows (or should know) THEM. Maybe they're just wounded, needy people. Or maybe the very concept of "de-personalized" talk is wrong-headed. Maybe we are wired by God to BE incarnated in our speech, so the idea of "de-personalized" speech is misguided. I honestly don't know. What I DO know is that I and others grow weary of the constant "I'm offended" thing. I, and others, just don't havethe time to constantly try to clean up wounds created by virtual-reality talk.
b) The very universality of a web site concerns me. ANYONE can talk to ANYONE. There is a wonderful possibility in this, but there's also a real danger. Some of the people who have logged onto this site are scary, at least in terms of their demeanor. IN real life, we self-select our fellowship. Here, its a bit more difficult. Of course, people can choose simply not to respond. Once you're "hooked" in a discussion, its difficult.
Again, I don't know. I'm just rambling. But what I do know is that the spirit of some of the more hostile people who come on this thread take away time and energy and emotion if I (or you) engage them. And, in my case, its time and energy and emotion that I have come to believe is (at least for now) better spent elsewhere.
If the board helps you, I encourage you to stay with it. If it doesn't, I encourage you to find what will. More specially, if a thread is stimulating, encouraging, expanding, and profitable, go with it. If its not, dump it.
Because life is precious and very very short.
God bless you all.
Greg
Hi,
I recall you saying, when I first came to the board, that this was about ideas, not people. It was in a post to someone who felt offended at the time, and that has stuck with me. I determined to be an encouragement wherever possible, but I have also been learning that there comes a point with some where it is futile to engage in "vain janglings."
I am thankful for the board. It's been two years now since I started down this "road" and I have been learning and coming to understand the Open View. It has made a difference in how I live my life, how I view the Father, how I know He sees me, and in how I pray. I understand how vital a role I play in interceding.
I thought this board was about discussing and learning theology, but I have come to see that it is also about learning to love the way He loves. Perhaps it is a good place to do that, because people do NOT know each other. It doesn't matter where you go as a believer, there will always be those who struggle with personal problems, and those who need to learn to "take the high road," to treat others with the same love and grace with which they would like to be treated.
At times I have to remind myself that this board is about ideas, not people, simply because of some of the posts I read. And it challenges me to understand and relate in a way that honours Him.
I read far more though that is encouraging. I have learned far more than I've been discouraged by anything that was said. I have also learned a bit of balance. Life is full and wonderful, and I have had to "watch" the time that I spend here. I think there are seasons for some things in our lives, and this is a "season" for me.
I look forward to learning and relating in a way that contributes to the board in the best way possible.
It's amazing how people's character shines through here.
One of the most important things that I have learned personally, and continue to learn, is that people are more important than ideas, that loving is more important than being right.
God Bless,
Jo-Anne 
"Sometimes all we can do is go back to the character of God, and drop anchor there."
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Humphrey Bogart
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| Posted 6/10/2004 10:10 PM (GMT -6) | | Hello! I'm not posting in discussion threads at the moment due to exams, but I just thought I'd make one comment regarding Doc's comments about some people being "scary", and Jo-Anne's comment that "It's amazing how people's character shines through here". Sometimes it might be possible to get something of a person's character through an internet discussion board, but very often it can be highly misleading. I don't know why, but internet discussion boards act as a major "personality filter" and the impressions you form from someone posting often turn out to be completely wrong when you meet the person in the real world. It reminds me of the problem Paul had when his personality was misjudged through his letters (II Cor. 10:10, For they say, "His letters are weighty and strong, but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible.").
It's also very easy to misunderstand comments that people make. For example sometimes a person intends something to be humerous, and if they were saying it to you in person you would recognise the humour from their tone of voice, mannerisms and so forth, but on an internet forum the intended humour can be lost.
I would bet that if we could spend some time with each other in the real world, our perspective on each other would be transformed, our interpretation of people's posts would be enlightened enormously, and we would find most people not so scary after all.
Anyway, that's what I think.
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quest for truth
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| Posted 6/10/2004 11:30 PM (GMT -6) | | Thank you Dr. Boyd for sharing in more detail your reasoning for needing to separate yourself from this board. I agree if something works keep it, if not lose it. I agree with you that life is so short -- it is a precious gift from God.
Dr. Boyd, would you be willing to share with us what you're working on in terms of writing? I would be interested. Thank you!
Jo-Anne, I agree with you that I have grown through my time spent on this board. I have had to learn to let go, to accept, to love a person in spite of their comments, to be patient, to depersonalize... I have felt drawn into the love that Christ taught us through interacting here.
Albert, I agree that what the person writes may not be interpretated correctly. As Greg Boyd posted, "Maybe we are wired by God to BE incarnated in our speech, so the idea of "de-personalized" speech is misguided." This type of communication lacks much thereby it is hard to fully know how the writer is hoping to be understood.
Tim, I sincerely would like to understand your post on this thread. Could you explain a little bit more? I'm still not understanding what is exactly weird or if you were joking....
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Matthew Timothy Short
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| Posted 6/11/2004 1:31 AM (GMT -6) | | I appear to have presented a very vague idea of or on a subject again (insert humor here).
Where the practices of witches are the enchantments of sorcery, an intercourse with devils of power more than natural.
A word is pronounced, from whence God speaks a fixed sentence, by which the order of a thing is prescribed an inevitable necessity, depended upon His superior cause and uncontrollable by mere man, where every spoken event is determined.
Where the lot of death is a state appointed the ultimate fate; a future not happily concealed, an invincible necessity and fixed order of things established by a divine decree, speaks of the indissoluble connection of causes and effects.
But who can turn the stream of destiny?
Destinies, the fates, or supposed powers, which preside over human life, spin it out, and determine it!
Properly, some humble themselves before chance like accidents and luck surviving the arrival of something in a sudden unexpected manner, deified by consecrated temples and altars, a power supposed to distribute the lots of life, according to her own humor. Anxious to have their fortunes told of the good or ill that befalls them in their faces read, disposed fortunately or not.
And in the same night a Christian serving in the camp, secretly gave the watchmen warning... (And here )
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1way
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| Posted 6/11/2004 8:35 AM (GMT -6) | | Tiggers - Thanks much for the note of appreciation. What a pleasant surprise. I wouldn't have known if you hadn't have specifically stated it. I am humbled to be more attentive to the thoughts and respect of others.
POW - Great graphic, very meaningfully expressive. I did not know about this forum's supposed tendency to be edgy. The sense of which is hard for me to understand, except for my own somewhat limited personal experience on this forum. I think it is good for folks to have this sort of discussion, to help others familiarize themselves with the nature of this board and so many expectations and frustrations. I know I wish we understood each other better. Seeing your drawing makes me crack up inside. We take things so seriously, yet people can be such difficult articles to read. I like to draw and design things. I'm happy to see you being expressive that way.
Greg Boyd - I appreciate you and your ministry. I'm sure you have great things to share with others, and I for one am most grateful for your online contributions, but I understand if you feel led to withdraw from activity here. Please see my thread on the issue of our communications being infused with who we are, and how people and ideas may be a wonderful yet challenging mix, no matter what the venue. Please click here for more.
Wonderful blessings in the Lord,
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1way
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| Posted 6/11/2004 8:39 AM (GMT -6) | | Oh boy, there goes that long link stuff again. Anyone know how to code it the right way, so that just the text click here is shown? Different forums different procedures.
Mt 13:52 Then He said to them, "Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure [things] new and old."
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 6/11/2004 9:11 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by 1way
Oh boy, there goes that long link stuff again. Anyone know how to code it the right way, so that just the text click here is shown? Different forums different procedures.
1Way,
enclose the url with: " "
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1Heart
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| Posted 6/11/2004 6:49 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by albert
Hello! I'm not posting in discussion threads at the moment due to exams, but I just thought I'd make one comment regarding Doc's comments about some people being "scary", and Jo-Anne's comment that "It's amazing how people's character shines through here". Sometimes it might be possible to get something of a person's character through an internet discussion board, but very often it can be highly misleading. I don't know why, but internet discussion boards act as a major "personality filter" and the impressions you form from someone posting often turn out to be completely wrong when you meet the person in the real world. It reminds me of the problem Paul had when his personality was misjudged through his letters (II Cor. 10:10, For they say, "His letters are weighty and strong, but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible.").
It's also very easy to misunderstand comments that people make. For example sometimes a person intends something to be humerous, and if they were saying it to you in person you would recognise the humour from their tone of voice, mannerisms and so forth, but on an internet forum the intended humour can be lost.
I would bet that if we could spend some time with each other in the real world, our perspective on each other would be transformed, our interpretation of people's posts would be enlightened enormously, and we would find most people not so scary after all.
Anyway, that's what I think.
Hi Albert,
Perhaps you are right. I may have stated it too simply. But I do notice when a person is repeatedly compassionate toward others - like Selah, when someone is humble - like sparknheart - when someone is a peacemaker - like Questfortruth, and countless others who are passionate in seeking and knowing God. We all have positive qualities , and those are the ones I really pick up on. I try not to label anyone in a negative way, even when I see cynicism or anger, as I realize that those are often the result of woundedness, and that some healing needs to take place. When I said that character "shines through," I was referring to the positive qualities that I observe, time and time again.
I have learned from how others relate on this board. I appreciate Laika's keen insights, as well as T.G.B's and John's and Laika's sense of humour. I appreciate Mayflower's compassionate heart, Tigress's searching heart. I could go on, but you get the picture. I also appreciate those who disagree without being ungracious...that takes maturity and a love for God and others.
I'm not great at deep theological discussions, but so many have shown patience with me in that regard, and take the time to respond, and I am learning.
God Bless,
Jo-Anne
"Sometimes all we can do is go back to the character of God, and drop anchor there."
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quest for truth
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| Posted 6/12/2004 9:55 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Greg Boyd: The very universality of a web site concerns me. ANYONE can talk to ANYONE. There is a wonderful possibility in this, but there's also a real danger. Some of the people who have logged onto this site are scary, at least in terms of their demeanor. IN real life, we self-select our fellowship. Here, its a bit more difficult. Of course, people can choose simply not to respond. Once you're "hooked" in a discussion, its difficult.
This has been on my mind ever since I read it. I am concerned that people would feel a need to self-select who they will interact with. As far as a fellowship... I don't view my interaction here as a fellowship in the same way as one would in person. Anyway, the reason I am concerned is because we are to be about sharing the gospel message with ALL and the Internet is one possible means of doing just that. As Christians (unless you are a weary soldier for a time being) we are called to hang out with the down and out. The christian walk is not about comfort but love for ALL. The above comment didn't come off to me like a loving statement in fact it came off a little judgmental. Dr. Boyd, would you mind expanding? The comment has my heart very grieved but perhaps I am misunderstanding....
Tigress, I think we are to hold one another accountable and to ask for clarification.... This type of communication, as many are expressing, does have the downside of being more challenging since it is one dimensional.
Jo-Anne, thank you for your kind words. You have many qualities that strengthen the discussions here and I appreciate your being a part of this board. | | Back to Top | | |
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Tom
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| Posted 6/12/2004 9:44 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by moon_river_j
I have learned from how others relate on this board. I appreciate Laika's keen insights, as well as T.G.B's and John's and Laika's sense of humour. God Bless,
Jo-Anne
Darn it. I want to be insightful, not funny. Laika is funnier than I am. So I think I should be the insightful one.
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