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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 6/15/2004 3:38 AM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
Originally posted by John Earp
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Originally posted by 1way
shewww, man, I just found out that I have a bio (it's been years since I entered it), however skimpy, so that is one piece of solid evidence that perhaps I am not part of the scary, potentially devilish deceptive, to be avoided, people/ogres.
I don't think Dr. Boyd's comments were directed at you, 1way. They obviously were directed at some people here. It is not clear precisely which people Dr. Boyd views as "scary," nor precisely what he means by that.
Actually, it sounds more like Doc is saying that it's better to be anonymous.
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a) It is obvious to me that some people, for whatever reasons, can't fully enter into the fact that the board is about ideas, not people. Hence they take criticisms of ideas as though they're criticisms of THEM -- even though, in principle, no one knows (or should know) THEM. Maybe they're just wounded, needy people.
John, I applaud you for having a very informative profile. It looks so legitimate; who did you steal the pictures from?
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Humphrey Bogart
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| Posted 6/15/2004 3:42 AM (GMT -6) | | Greg Boyd wrote: * Presently working on The Jesus Legend with Paul Eddy. Hope to be done by end of summer. Should be out by next fall.
Albert: Greg, if you have time to answer, does this book deal with the "Jesus myth" position? I have been having some fascinating debates with some atheists and other "heretics" regarding the "Jesus myth" theory. I haven't seen good rebuttals from the evangelical camp - just dismissive reviews that don't take the theory seriously. Just interested if your book is about this, of if it's something else entirely.
For an example of the "Jesus myth" theory, see:
http://pages.ca.inter.net/~oblio/home.htm
I've tried a number of arguments against it which I think are not bad, but I'm interested in any other insights.
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quest for truth
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| Posted 6/15/2004 4:40 AM (GMT -6) | | 1wayquote:
Should I consider myself as being one of the undesirable-elements that the inner circle has in mind?
Should most of the people who may not feel like a well-accepted part of this forum's grass roots feel like they are who is the problem at hand?
Now I am wondering if I am one of the people on the outside that they consider "scary". I too wonder if I might be one of the undesirable elements that the inner circle has in mind. 1way, you have me thinking.......
Dr. Boyd, perhaps you could just come out and tell us which of us are scary? Perhaps I should go away?  I want to be a part of a board that accepts everyone and expresses unsurpassable worth to all. I don't like the idea that some are being viewed as "scary". I still don't understand what Dr. Boyd and others are so afraid of when they have Christ on their side. I agree with Jo-Anne, "His grace is sufficient. We are more than conquerors. Our cup runuth over."
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 6/15/2004 5:14 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by quest for truth
Now I am wondering if I am one of the people on the outside that they consider "scary". I too wonder if I might be one of the undesirable elements that the inner circle has in mind. 1way, you have me thinking.......
Who is “they”?
You’re joking about a conspiracy theory, right?
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quest for truth
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| Posted 6/15/2004 5:56 AM (GMT -6) | | Sparknheart, Dr. Boyd posted the following, "What I DO know is that I and others grow weary of the constant "I'm offended" thing"
The "they" is whoever Greg was referring to in that sentence. I have no clue who "they" are but then again I have no clue who the "scary" posters are either. | | Back to Top | | |
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 6/15/2004 6:31 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by quest for truth
Sparknheart, Dr. Boyd posted the following, "What I DO know is that I and others grow weary of the constant "I'm offended" thing"
The "they" is whoever Greg was referring to in that sentence. I have no clue who "they" are but then again I have no clue who the "scary" posters are either.
QFT,
The “they” thing you’re referring to comes from a different paragraph, not from the “scary” people quote. | | Back to Top | | |
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1Heart
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| Posted 6/15/2004 6:37 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by quest for truth
Sparknheart, Dr. Boyd posted the following, "What I DO know is that I and others grow weary of the constant "I'm offended" thing"
The "they" is whoever Greg was referring to in that sentence. I have no clue who "they" are but then again I have no clue who the "scary" posters are either.
We have to remember, that the board is about ideas, not people. Light hearted jesting lightens some of the intensity that is here sometimes. Perhaps we need to take ourselves a little less seriously at times. I appreciate that humour when it surfaces, and as far as misunderstanding...maybe we need to "assume the best" instead of the worst.
I don't think any of us are "scary." I'm not worried about being scary, though I may say some things from time to time that don't fit, or are slightly neurotic, or ... This board is wonderful because of the human element, and has convinced me that unity in diversity really is possible - not just a pipe dream  (or is that a cigar?)
Interesting comments about the board. I have a suggestion. Let's try to assume the best, and walk in wisdom and love. I may be a bit of a dreamer in that regard, but the Father is a dreamer too. He dreamed about us in relationship with Him and each other. He's part of this board too.
Jo-Anne 
"Sometimes all we can do is go back to the character of God, and drop anchor there."
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| Posted 6/15/2004 6:49 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Laika
A black helicopter just flew over.....
Quick, check the grassy knoll for any “scary’ looking people! | | Back to Top | | |
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Laika
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quest for truth
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| Posted 6/15/2004 8:46 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
We have to remember, that the board is about ideas, not people. Light hearted jesting lightens some of the intensity that is here sometimes. Perhaps we need to take ourselves a little less seriously at times. I appreciate that humour when it surfaces, and as far as misunderstanding...maybe we need to "assume the best" instead of the worst
Yes, I agree we need humor to lighten the intensity. What I am stuck on is that Greg Boyd (and perhaps others) feel a need to leave some out on this board because they are "scary". The reason why this grieves me so much is because I have read many of Greg's books and have listened to his sermons (especially on love and subscribing worth to ALL) This same preacher (whom I have respected) posted that one of his concerns is the "scary" people who post here. To me, this just doesn't sound like a loving statement but rather a judgmental statement which is what Dr. Boyd has been writing against and preaching against. I am confused. Perhaps I misunderstood what he meant by "scary" posters and wanting to select who he associates with on the board. I wish Dr. Boyd could expand on that statement for the benefit of posters as myself.
Sorry gang for taking this a bit more seriously than some of you -- perhaps it's because I am one of the sick "scary" people that Greg referred to. | | Back to Top | | |
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Tiggers
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| Posted 6/15/2004 9:20 AM (GMT -6) | | Quest Asserts,
“Yes, I agree we need humor to lighten the intensity. What I am stuck on is that Greg Boyd (and perhaps others) feels a need to leave some out on this board because they are "scary".”
Tiggers’ Reply,
Personally Quest, I don’t ever remember the Doc not writing to someone on this board because they were scary, ya know? It may be that the Doc, simply refers to scary as someone who comes on this sight with the agenda to accuse open theist’s as heretical anti Christians, ya know? I remember way back to one of the very first threads at cool board regarding a scholarly theological journal (scholarly…ya right!) I started it while I was still in Boston. Heck, C.V. even locked the thread because of this fellow who was just straight up threw false accusations around no matter how hurtful they were. It was regarding those kinds of people (who also equate an Open Theist with being a follower of Greg Boyd) who seem a bit scary to ME, ya know. Nevertheless, it’s all good…I'm sure Greg hasn’t stopped loving them, just had to pull out his can of whoop  (just kidding) for the sake of the board.
Quest Asserts,
“Sorry gang for taking this a bit more seriously than some of you -- perhaps it's because I am one of the sick "scary" people that Greg referred to.”
Tiggers’ Reply,
You seem to be a bit sensitive here…as Laika stated ½ kiddingly  , that well…you haven’t been banned, right? I’m quite sure that you are someone the Doc loves as a Christian Sis/Bro very much…! Hey smile …would ya…pleeeaaaasssseee…God Bless Ya, Quest!
Warmly in Christ,
Tiggers 
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| Posted 6/15/2004 10:16 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by John Earp
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Originally posted by Laika
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Originally posted by quest for truth
Sorry gang for taking this a bit more seriously than some of you -- perhaps it's because I am one of the sick "scary" people that Greg referred to.
You are? You haven't been banned from here, have you?
Of course not, how would you be posting?
If the "scary people" have been banned, why worry about them? It seems to me Dr. Boyd was making a not-so-subtle reference to some people who regularly post here.
Rumor has it, there has been an information leak and the result is that a lot of paper work is involved in getting someone banned from this site. First the “scary list” needs to be approved by the screening committee which meets in some secret dark, smoked filled hidden location. Second, Dr. Evil has to decode the virtual location… The whole thing is a very time consuming and complicated procdure. The bottom line is I think there is a long grace period, so no need to worry about being banned.
P. S. If you never hear from me again, well then I was wrong, in which case forget everything I just said.
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1way
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| Posted 6/15/2004 12:40 PM (GMT -6) | | There is an inner group and those of us on the outside.
Some folks call other posters by names other than their forum handle, which is no sin, but doing this can be exclusive when you are an uninformed outsider. As for me, I always figured simplicity helps make things more ,,, simple, verses, the converse. As in:
Hello, my username is Jupiter,
I go by Johnboy,
I sign my posts with boatafloat,
so feel free to call me AJ,
but my name is Ronald,
(chuckles, maybe that's exaggerating things a bit!)
Who is Tom, Laika mentioned him, can't connect the dots. Others speak of others as though others understand, I don't, but then again, I'm new.
Empathy happens
John Earp and Quest for Truth (and others, scanning recent posts) make reasonable points, and although I agree that Quest for Truth may be presenting a slightly overly sensitive view towards his or her self, I accept his or her view for the sake of myself and others. These are cliquish and exclusivist issues, joking about them only helps the issue seem like it's nothing to be concerned about.
I agree with the voice of reason and hope from Moon River that most likely things really aren't so bad. Yet, without a doubt, the secret info is only known by the preferred inner circle while everyone else just wonders what to make of it all.
Mr Boyd and the "scare us not" consortium , does several confusing things. Sets ideas as being more important or more of the focus,
and then complains about people's personal problems dragging him and others likeminded with him down.
(subverting the proper focus, ideas, not people) I think he should simply clarify his focus, his expectations for his involvement for this forum, and his expectations for others in this forum. The internet is a universal venue, which is good and bad
we should keep people issues anonymous,
but maybe it's ok to deal with personal people issues I think this is a somewhat mute but interesting issue (please see my spinoff thread about the internet and written communication), people speak their minds, their thoughts are theirs only, we can only speak from the treasure house from our own heart. Speculation wont change that. This is as real life as anything can be, no robot is making me communicate what I say, It's just me, "1Way", and I am no more important than everyone else. Makes complaint known about a board related problem,
gives no sufficient information to understand or help the situation. This is rather unproductive, and as many unsubstantiated claims may be fostered, the secretive (no name, I just hear that "someone" is a trouble maker) rumor effect has it's negative implications.
I say the judge not crowd  is behind this secrecy, so they will tend to not name names, thus the rumor effect is only natural. The bible says to openly reprove and rebuke and edify and directly confront such issues. I'm not "judge not". In my understanding, and without clarification, that is the hypocrite's golden rule  . Perhaps comments or debate on that issue might be taken over to my EMPTY thread that was specifically started for this issue and was offered to Mr Boyd, but I welcome everyone to join that thread.
Ye who is spiritual judges all things.
Judge rightly, not by outward appearance.
Judge not ... you hypocrite!
(See immediate context and the proceeding for how to judge)
Blessings in the way truth and life,
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John Earp
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| Posted 6/15/2004 12:54 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by 1way
There is an inner group and those of us on the outside.
I think this comes with the territory; the longer a person has participated here, the more familiar they are with others.
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Who is Tom, Laika mentioned him, can't connect the dots. Others speak of others as though others understand, I don't, but then again, I'm new.
Tom is TGB. I think it says that in his profile.
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Mr Boyd and the "scare us not" consortium, does several confusing things. - Sets ideas as being more important or more of the focus,
- and then complains about people's personal problems dragging him and others likeminded with him down. (affecting his focus)
I think he should simply clarify his focus, his expectations for his involvement for this forum, and his expectations for others in this forum. - The internet is a universal venue, which is good and bad
- but we should keep personal things anonymous,
but maybe it's ok to deal with personal people issues
I think this is a somewhat mute but important issue, people speak their minds, their thoughts are theirs only, we can only speak from the treasure house from our own heart. Speculation wont change that. This is as real life as anything can be, no robot is making me communicate what I say, It's just me, "1Way", and I am no more important than everyone else. - Makes complaint known about a board related problem,[/*]
- gives no sufficient information to understand or help the situation.[/*]
This is rather unproductive, and as many unsubstantiated claims may be fostered, the secretive (no name, I just hear that "someone" is a trouble maker) rumor effect has it's negative implications.
How perceptive you are, 1way. Been lurking around here long?
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I say the judge not crowd is behind this secrecy, so they will tend to not name names, thus the rumor effect is only natural. The bible says to openly reprove and rebuke and edify and directly confront such issues. I'm not "judge not". In my understanding, and without clarification, that is the hypocrite's golden rule. Perhaps comments or debate on that issue might be taken over to my EMPTY thread that was specifically started for this issue and was offered to Mr Boyd, but I welcome everyone to join that thread.
Sheeeew!!! Man, you hit the nail on the head, 1way. I'll tell you what I think: In the past nearly two years since I have been frequenting this forum, the issue of whether practicing homosexuals in a "committed monogamous relationship" should be accepted as Christians has been highly contentious here, with the "judge not" crowd (quite ironically) judging as "judgmental," "unloving," "Pharisees" and "legalists" all those who have held to a traditional Judeo-Christian point of view on this issue. I think this (and issues similar to it) is precisely what seems "scary" to the "judge not" crowd.
Their argument tends to go like this:
1. Everybody sins all the time; indeed, they can't help BUT sin all the time.
2. Therefore, no one is qualified to point out another's sin and call them to repentance, for that would be "judging" and "hypocritical."
One has to wonder what they would think of John the Baptist, the OT prophets, Jesus and the Apostles, with all their obviously impossible expectations that Christians must live a holy life to be truly Christ's disciples. One also has to wonder how libertarian free will is good for anything other than philosophical navel-gazing if it does not lead us to condemn all sin in the flesh, and justify God's moral standard of right living.
Prov. 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil. Pride and arrogance and the way of evil and perverted speech I hate.
My 2c.
John (your humble resident pharisaical, anti-sodomy, anti-sin, religious, legalist).
P.S.: I've been participating here for quite some time now, and they still haven't banned me for stirring up trouble. I don't think I've ever qualified for the proverbial "inner circle," here, and I have asked a time or two if they would rather I just leave, but so far no one has really told me what they really think of my participation here.
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
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1way
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| Posted 6/15/2004 1:24 PM (GMT -6) | | John Earp - LOL, after all that, I could not find it within myself to call you John (the Pharisee). Though I suppose your just alluding to how others see you as being a deceptively devilish one.  I see, and thanks much for taking me into confidence about (at least some of) what is going on.
It's a judge not thing. 
So, this tension between people and ideas has been a longstanding issue. I started here in late 01 I think it was, but my more memorable stay was about 1.5 years ago, and was very short, mostly due to over-the-road truck driving time constraints. Plus I let myself get offended in a way that was to some extent unnecessary. And "strangely" enough, it was primarily over sexual jocularity over biblical doctrine that I and others thought was inappropriate.
John, as to my perceptivity proclivity marksmantivity, LOL, I'm just a not nicer than God Christian, and I see you are too (praise God!). Once you are able to advance beyond the false doctrine of "judge not", then the rest tends to be pretty simple. Thanks for the comment, as I think somehow you already rightly figured as much.
Practicing homosexual
As though being a non-practicing homosexual is thus the acceptable alternative? You have two things. You either have a homosexual worthy of excommunication, or a repentant saint. That need not mean they are perfect in order to be welcomed in the brotherhood, but there should be no acceptance of being a homosexual, that is gross sexual immorality, it is the most explicit grounds for excommunication, and is a shame that many churches do not even know how to judge rightly over such basic matters.
(looking both ways, whispering quietly) So is Mr Boyd caught trying to be nicer than God?
You know that the judge not passage CAN NOT mean, if you sin, since you sin, you should not judge others, right?
Blessings in the way truth and life,
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1way
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| Posted 6/15/2004 1:33 PM (GMT -6) | | | John - As to your PS addendum. I'll watch your back and you watch mine. You know how those nicer judge not-ers are, they can be viciously judgmental if you dare cross their hidden line of sacred cows. From me to you, although I don't know you well enough to firmly say this, but, my guess is that if you get tossed out of here, I'll probably be your less than comfortable padding when you land. | | Back to Top | | |
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