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1Heart
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John Earp
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| Posted 6/15/2004 1:55 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by 1way
Practicing homosexual
As though being a non-practicing homosexual is thus the acceptable alternative? You have two things. You either have a homosexual worthy of excommunication, or a repentant saint. That need not mean they are perfect in order to be welcomed in the brotherhood, but there should be no acceptance of being a homosexual, that is gross sexual immorality, it is the most explicit grounds for excommunication, and is a shame that many churches do not even know how to judge rightly over such basic matters.
I deny the validity of the entire "homosexual identity" idea. No one is saying Christian men shouldn't be loving towards each other, and no one's saying that Christian men can't live together necessarily as roommates. I did during college, but that doesn't mean I'm "gay."
The "practicing homosexual" terminology denotes one who is regularly engaging in homosexual activity, (which Scripture roundly condemns in both Old and New Testaments). In my view, if someone thinks they were "born gay" they are probably just struggling with involuntary impulses, and should seek to find healing through Christ rather than expressing these impulses (just like a person with an anger tendency should not feel free to just lose his temper, and a person with pedophilic urges must not act out on those urges).
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You know that the judge not passage CAN NOT mean, if you sin, since you sin, you should not judge others, right?
My understanding is that there are two senses in which "judge" is defined: to discern, and to condemn. The former we are expressly commanded to do, while the latter is forbidden; it is God's purview, not ours.
That is, we should never say of someone who's still breathing, "There's no hope for you in God; you are beyond redemption." Of course, this does not mean we should not obey Christ's command elsewhere to "judge righteous judgement," or Paul's injunction to "exhort, reprove, rebuke with all longsuffering and doctrine."
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
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John Earp
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| Posted 6/15/2004 2:02 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by moon_river_j
I'm not sure what you mean by the "judge-not clique" Do you feel you were judged by the "judge-not clique"...(is that an oxymoron...or something equally as confusing)?
Some time before you starting participating here, Jo-Anne, there were some very heated arguments on this board about the whole "homosexuality" issue, and yes, the "judge-not clique" (as I affectionately refer to them) were pretty outspoken that those who judged practicing homosexuals as sinful were themselves sinning by judging homosexuals.
Anyway, I've tried to mellow out some simply because I enjoy most all of the discussions here (except, of course, the homosexuality discussion), and so perhaps I should not have even responded to this thread. I honestly am not a person who relishes confrontation, but I also confess to a strong tendency to thump the Bible when it comes to this and other issues, that in my opinion are eroding the very foundations of our society. I'll shut up for now.
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
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1Heart
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| Posted 6/15/2004 2:06 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by John Earp
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Originally posted by 1way
Practicing homosexual
As though being a non-practicing homosexual is thus the acceptable alternative? You have two things. You either have a homosexual worthy of excommunication, or a repentant saint. That need not mean they are perfect in order to be welcomed in the brotherhood, but there should be no acceptance of being a homosexual, that is gross sexual immorality, it is the most explicit grounds for excommunication, and is a shame that many churches do not even know how to judge rightly over such basic matters.
I deny the validity of the entire "homosexual identity" idea. No one is saying Christian men shouldn't be loving towards each other, and no one's saying that Christian men can't live together necessarily as roommates. I did during college, but that doesn't mean I'm "gay."
The "practicing homosexual" terminology denotes one who is regularly engaging in homosexual activity, (which Scripture roundly condemns in both Old and New Testaments). In my view, if someone thinks they were "born gay" they are probably just struggling with involuntary impulses, and should seek to find healing through Christ rather than expressing these impulses (just like a person with an anger tendency should not feel free to just lose his temper, and a person with pedophilic urges must not act out on those urges).
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You know that the judge not passage CAN NOT mean, if you sin, since you sin, you should not judge others, right?
My understanding is that there are two senses in which "judge" is defined: to discern, and to condemn. The former we are expressed commanded to do, while the latter is forbidden; it is God's purview, not ours. That is, we should never say of someone who's still breathing, "There's no hope for you in God; you are beyond redemption." That does not mean we should not obey Christ's command elsewhere to wit: "judge righteous judgement," or Paul's injunction to "exhort, reprove, rebuke with all longsuffering and doctrine."
Discernment and prayer go hand-in-hand. Judgement is a lone-ranger.
Thanks for the explanation. Jo-Anne 
"Sometimes all we can do is go back to the character of God, and drop anchor there."
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1way
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| Posted 6/15/2004 2:42 PM (GMT -6) | | moon river j and or Jo-Anne
Please see my response to your question in my new thread over in the Q and A section called ""Judge Not" and "Nicer than God"". Click here for more. | | Back to Top | | |
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John Earp
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| Posted 6/15/2004 10:08 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by moon_river_j
John,
Please explain. What is the "hypocrisy inherent int he whole "judge not" perspective?"
Thanks,
Jo-Anne
Hi Jo-Anne,
I think 1way summed it up nicely in the other thread when he said: quote:
So while on one hand they love and accept the homosexual or pedophile for example, on the other hand they draw a bead on the righteous Christian who opposes that which is evil and sinful.
In other words, the "judge not" crowd (also known of here as the "love not judgment" crowd) ARE judging people, though they may not realize it. In addition, they are opposed to God's own attitude towards sin, righteousness, and judgment.
The fear of the Lord is to hate evil.
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
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Matthew Timothy Short
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| Posted 6/16/2004 1:12 AM (GMT -6) | |
Intransitively they unite in a common design to conjure as by invoking the Supreme Being, as by the use of certain words, to expel, to drive, or to affect the hunted "scary" or is that "scraggly"  ? | | Back to Top | | |
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1way
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| Posted 6/16/2004 6:47 PM (GMT -6) | | | | |
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quest for truth
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| Posted 6/17/2004 3:23 PM (GMT -6) | | BJSquote:
Maybe Greg doesn't post as much anymore because his every word is overanalyzed, over-critiqued and psychologically dissected in order to find some offense. It's hard to dialogue comfortably and openly when that is going on. Ease up a little, ya'll.
rossfadeinoutquote:
Good word Brett. Everything that Doc says on here gets scrutinized.... It's gotta be tough, especially when the nature of a discussion board is to sometimes give a quick comment that was never meant to be a finalized position.
Sure, my gripe may have been a little too picky.... I am sorry Dr. Boyd if you feel that I have done the very thing that keeps you not wanting to post on this board.
On the other hand, I do believe people should be allowed to express their opinions and what not, even if that means people like myself who are perhaps a bit too sensitive at times, without having people go away.
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1way
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| Posted 6/17/2004 7:19 PM (GMT -6) | | As Christians, conflict resolution is yet another excuse to confirm and establish our faith in God. We should not lament or complain and point fingers and or wonder if they are pointing fingers at me. We can do better, we can lead and follow in what is right, and help encourage others to do right also according to God's word.
Establish your faith from scripture, and let the chips fall where they may, that blessings may abound. Mr Boyd's words should be scrutinized just as much as anyone else's, he is being critical of others, and perhaps for completely righteous reasons, and perhaps he is being less than right, so reasonable attention seems warranted.
I vote for less guessing, and more objective examples and bible study/application.
BJS - What is rossfadeinout? | | Back to Top | | |
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1way
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| Posted 6/18/2004 5:37 AM (GMT -6) | | Chuckles, opps.  Thanks, sometimes the obvious is, not always easy to see. I thought it was maybe a pesonal dig of some sort, it didn't even enter my mind that such would be someone's handle. Or I thought it was just a personal joke, but couldn't tell for sure. | | Back to Top | | |
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Winghead
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| Posted 6/20/2004 5:59 PM (GMT -6) | | Greetings! It has been a long time since I have visited CVM, so I thought this would be a good thread to say "Hi" on.
The reasons for my absence are largely related to not having enough time to do it justice. So, not wanting to be a "hit and run" poster, I have had to drop out.
I agree with some of Greg's observations though. Over the years, I have been a regular poster in a number of forums. It has been good experience, and has helped me grow in my communications and thinking. However, I cannot say that there have been many lasting friendships as a result -- a few though. In the case of CVM, I have enjoyed meeting people when they visit WHC.
Again, my choice for dropping out of the discussions is mostly related to time. That said, I find threads with short posts easier to follow. When I hit one of those long posts, my mind starts to disconnect.  Funny, I have probably been guilty of most posting mistakes, at one time or another.
Lots of cool new smiles, though. 
About the Amazon ratings, Greg, I'll try to rate a couple of your books -- at least if I liked them. I usually don't review books on Amazon, though I buy most of my books from them, because I am too lazy to write a decent review. One thing I have noticed, though. You have to look at the review rating, AND, how many people found it useful. Reviews that are just ranting, or arguing with the Author are often rated as not very helpful. In other words, people see through the smoke.
YBIC,
Winghead
"...you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength.’ The second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ No other commandment is greater than these.”
Mark 12:30-31 (NLT)
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 6/24/2004 6:59 AM (GMT -6) | | | I enjoyed reading posts from JohnMD. John, do you visit here anymore? | | Back to Top | | |
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JCsites.com
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| Posted 7/27/2004 10:33 AM (GMT -6) | | | | |
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quest for truth
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| Posted 7/27/2004 6:01 PM (GMT -6) | | JCSites quote:
In my mind the original ethos of this discussion board was lost sometime around the end of 2002 or beginning of 2003.
I also think that the topics of discussion started being re-cylced by accident. But redundant none the less. So then the forum became less interesting.
My feeling now is that this board's main value is the archive of posts over the last 4 years. Great Research for sure. I sure hope someone's going to write a book citing this board as a source!
Dave, seems like you would say that the board is on it's way out? Are you planning on sticking around to watch it die or have you thought of handing it over to someone who hasn't read all the recycled posts? I guess sometimes people need to move on as you said. I have been in many bible study and small groups which have served a purpose for a time and then the group broke off into different directions. I'm not sure it's always due to sin entering into the picture -- people change and needs change... Things never stay the same do they?
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