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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 9/27/2004 6:34 PM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
Originally posted by GregBoyd
Here's one thing that came from the conference most of you wouldn't be aware of. The CVM board was seriously thinking about ending the board. We thought perhaps it had run its course. the original purpose was for me to interact with people, but I have obvously felt led to put my time into writing and speaking more these days. And It costs about 8 bills a year to keep up. But when Leila, Moon J and several others expressed how much the board meant to them... well, as of right now, it seems worth the 8 bills. So we've decided to keep it going, at least for the time being.
That’s great  news that you’re keeping the board going. Maybe we can take up an offer hat to help out a little with the expense. I have noticed a lot of posts lately where folks want to add their .02 cents.  Just kidding. Anyways I’m glad  you reconsidered, regardless if it makes cents (or not) to keep it going. | | Back to Top | | |
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1Heart
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| Posted 9/28/2004 7:51 AM (GMT -6) | | | | |
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Truth Aficionado
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| Posted 9/28/2004 8:35 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by moon_river_j
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Originally posted by sparknheart
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Originally posted by GregBoyd
Here's one thing that came from the conference most of you wouldn't be aware of. The CVM board was seriously thinking about ending the board. We thought perhaps it had run its course. the original purpose was for me to interact with people, but I have obvously felt led to put my time into writing and speaking more these days. And It costs about 8 bills a year to keep up. But when Leila, Moon J and several others expressed how much the board meant to them... well, as of right now, it seems worth the 8 bills. So we've decided to keep it going, at least for the time being.
That’s great news that you’re keeping the board going. Maybe we can take up an offer hat to help out a little with the expense. I have noticed a lot of posts lately where folks want to add their .02 cents. Just kidding. Anyways I’m glad you reconsidered, regardless if it makes cents (or not) to keep it going.
I'd be very glad to contribute something monthly to the board - to offset the cost of keeping it going. I'm sending this from the library in Concord, N.C. Flying to Vancounver Thursday...then home!
There's no place like home, there's no... 
We can help out by supporting CVM and this discussion board through prayer and/or financial gifts:
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1Heart
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| Posted 10/11/2004 9:02 AM (GMT -6) | | Hi Everyone,
I ended up in Concord, N.C. on a heart monitor, but it was not my heart - thankfully. I arrived home feeling physically spent, but God did a couple of things on this trip, which I'm still processing. I'm one who tends to think things over, and it takes a little time for me to process things, to settle them in my heart and mind, and see how they "fit" in my walk with Him.
I continue to be very thankful for this board and this online community of believers. I am thankful for a place to ask my questions, to explore, and for the graciousness I've found here. I have not experienced the same elsewhere, when I've shared my heart, my "discoveries" about the Father. The frequent response is stunned silence, blank faces, confusion, apathy, or at times - anger. But coming back from the conference in Shipshewana, I have more of a peace about this than ever before, and I believe, a greater understanding. It's amazing how deep those S. Baptist roots go! I've been in an interdenom. church now for the past 8 years, so no longer call myself baptist - but I was "taught well" if you know what I mean. Please understand, I'm not being negative here. Some of the most godly leaders that I know are my S.B. brothers and sisters, and they are rich in discipleship, and evangelism, and missions! But what I mean to communicate is that I was taught from a certain theological perspective, and I believed what was taught, as if it had been passed down to me from the hand of God Himself! Many, or most of you, know what I mean.
Forgive me this long post, but there a couple of things I'd like to share with you. When I boarded the train at South Bend, headed for Charlotte, I was exhausted, and wasn't feeling well. And, I lost the ring that Wade had given me, just before boarding the amtrack. I got on and was shown my berth. I went in, pulled the door shut, cried for a few minutes, then decided I had to "snap out of it." Just then an announcement came over the speaker. There was a movie; "Miracles" in ---- car, for anyone who wanted to watch it." I whispered a prayer at that moment to God. I said, "God, I could use a miracle right now." I'd agreed to have dinner at 9 PM. It was just after 7 - time for a movie! As I stepped out of my berth, a young woman (who I never saw again), asked if I would have dinner then, instead of at 9. Being the helpful soul I am (), I said yes, with a tinge of resignation. I told her I'd be glad to, if she would lead the way to the dining car. She did. A server met me, and pointed to where she wanted me to sit. Surprise! You do not get to sit where you want, and even though there were empty tables, I was directed to sit with two gentlemen; and older man who looked to be in his sixties, and a man about my age. I wasn't excited. I wasn't up to sitting with two strange men, much less sitting right beside one of them. But God... (I love those words in scripture). The book of Jonah has a lot of "But Gods." I love that book. These two men were on their way to Nasa to do a presentation...something about Einstein! Great! God had seated me beside scientists!  But...they were also wonderful Christian men, and I had the most wonderful conversation with them, for more than two hours. The conversation flowed. It was exactly what I needed. We talked about the Father, about suffering, about the conference, and what I had learned. And, miracle of miracles; I was not met with blank stares, or confusion, or stunned silence, or anger. Not even consternation. They didn't stare at me like I was some sort of heretic! They nodded, smiled, and seemed to love the conversation as much as I did! They were the answer to prayer that I had whispered in that berth. Being the God who knows each and every possibility, He'd orchestrated that event! I know it in my heart. I can see how people who do not hold to this view could think that the event was predetermined. But, I understand - finally! He orchestrated it, knowing I was on that train, and so were they (even changing the dinner time I'd agreed to, but STILL GIVING ME A CHOICE! He knows my personality, my desires... and I responded as He thought I would, knowing all about me.
The next morning I went back to the dining car, hoping to meet them again. The older gent came in in a bit, and told the girl (despite her attempts to seat him elsewhere), that he wanted to have breakfast with me. We sat for two hours easily, talking about miracles, and missions, and science, and Nasa. It was wonderful! He even reached across the table, took my hand, and prayed for our daughter - for her ongoing nightmares. If I could choose a father in this life, or a grandfather - I'd choose this man. He radiated love and grace, and had a heart for the Father, and for prayer, which I could only hope to emulate!
Lesson #1 for me from the conference and my train ride: God knows each and every possibility - so there is indeed nothing that He doesn't know in the way of possibilities. Nothing takes Him by surprise.
Lesson #2 from the conference and my train ride: It is precisely because He knows each and every possibility, and because He has infinite intelligence, that He is able to orchestrate things in our lives (not predetermine). And because of His immense love for us, we have freedom within that.
Please bear with me just a bit longer. I guess I am excited about these truths. They have helped me understand the open view, and embrace it in a way I've not done previously. If you have more to add to this, I'd love to hear it.
Lesson #3 from my time in Concord, N.C. "Come Expecting"
I spent one service at FIRE praying for our daughter - for God to deliver her, as His faithful servant, from these ongoing violent nightmares. While I was praying...somewhere in there - the Spirit impressed just two words on my heart: "Come Expecting" There was a little of that on the entire trip. I've always had a heart that expected the Lord to speak, but I needed a reminder on this trip. It was brutal physically for me. I hadn't slept at all on the amtrack, and ended up in the hospital in Concord. But He was with me the whole time; orchestrating.
On the final flight home, as I prayed, the Spirit whispered the same words into my heart; "Come expecting" and I realized that those words were not just for my daughter's needs, but they were for me. "Come expecting." It was for home, for my marriage, for my church community. It was a heart attitude that He wanted me to come to Him with - and those two words will remain special to me for the rest of my life.
There will be trials, some of them will feel like that amtrack ride, being tossed from side to side, and just trying to get through the night - but He is there too, and I am to come to Him expecting, believing.
The trip was good for me. Would I ever ride an amtrack again? Please God, no! 
God Bless you all. It's good to be back again.
Jo-Anne
"Sometimes all we can do is go back to the character of God, and drop anchor there."
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Leila
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| Posted 10/12/2004 6:30 AM (GMT -6) | | | Thanks for sharing Jo-Anne. I'm glad you learned so much this past month, but sorry the lessons had to come the hard way. I hope things are going better for you now. | | Back to Top | | |
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