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Tigress
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  		   Posted 9/16/2004 11:34 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I couldn't delete this so I just went in to the edit feature and erased it. I hope that's acceptable to everyone. I didn't mean to start up all this mudslinging.Sad

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DLW
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  		   Posted 9/16/2004 3:36 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
this is likely concocted.

I do not believe there is a Koran 9:11. From what I recall, their way of referring to passages is quite different than he Bible.

Its meant to manipulate believers into thinking that there was a foreordained connection between 9-11 and the GWII.

But there was no significant connection and its just been declared that there were no signicant WMDs in Iraq either.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040917/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/iraq_weapons

This leaves us all needing to answer the simple question:
Has Iraq made us safer or less safe?
dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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Kublai Khan
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  		   Posted 9/16/2004 3:50 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
quote:
Originally posted by DLW

this is likely concocted.

I do not believe there is a Koran 9:11. From what I recall, their way of referring to passages is quite different than he Bible.

It's a hoax

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/k/koran-war.htm

Tigress, don't Dan Rather us, check your sources before you post, okay?

"Arrest the usual suspects."

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Mayflower
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  		   Posted 9/17/2004 7:52 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

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Thanks, Brother -- for posting the Weapons of Mass Destruction link.
The article was a good update on the current status of that entire issue.


Peace & blessings,
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quote:
DLW wrote:

.....Its meant to manipulate believers into thinking that there was a foreordained connection between 9-11 and the GWII.

But there was no significant connection and its just been declared that there were no signicant WMDs in Iraq either.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040917/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/iraq_weapons

This leaves us all needing to answer the simple question:
Has Iraq made us safer or less safe?

dlw



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Sahid
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  		   Posted 9/18/2004 12:56 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Saddam (spelled with two a's) is a secularist. Even if there was a Koran 9:11, he wouldn't care. He would probably give as much creedence to the Book of Mormon as to the Koran.

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DLW
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  		   Posted 9/19/2004 9:52 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Sahid, the fake email is part of the religious right's attempts to manipulate politically ignorant people into thinking that Iraq was tied to 9-11 and that Bush has been doing God's will.

Thank goodness bipartisan leadership is now decrying the failures of the BushAdmin in Iraq.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20040919/pl_nm/iraq_usa_policy_dc_2

The failures have to be rather serious for them to speak out this brazenly at this point in an election year.

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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DLW
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  		   Posted 9/19/2004 2:37 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
http://www.holdthemaccountable2004.com/home.htm

Help determine what questions will be asked as part of the presidential debates.

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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feelinahole
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  		   Posted 9/19/2004 4:24 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Why, DLW, you ole Bush hater at it again. I'm glad you're in Mexico, 'cause its gonna kill you, Krugman and all those Hollywood idiots when Bush wins the election. Still that would be a sight...Approve
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Leviathan
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  		   Posted 9/20/2004 4:15 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
quote:
But there was no significant connection and its just been declared that there were no signicant WMDs in Iraq either


1st- we are in Iraq...now what? Your man Kerry said he would have gone if there wasn't WMD's...and we are there now... so now what?

2nd- We all know Iraq had WMD's, question is where are they...well we have found poison gases...and we are looking in a country as big as Texas!

3rd- Is there a connection between terror and Iraq...
-Sadaam Insane paided families of homiside bomber $25,000 suporting terror!
-Al-qeada is in Iraq now and was in there before we went in!
we have found a plane's fusalodge used for training!

LAST...Check this out, my conspiricy therory of the day;
www.jaynadavis.com/
"...Assistant Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, said by some to be the architect of America's war on Iraq, reportedly suspects that Saddam Hussein played a significant role in the three worst terrorist attacks ever on the U.S. - the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and the 1993 World Trade Center bombing"

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Leviathan
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  		   Posted 9/20/2004 6:23 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
No WMD's...you see this anywhere?






http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/sandplanes.asp#photo02
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DLW
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  		   Posted 9/22/2004 10:48 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
quote:
Originally posted by feelinahole

Why, DLW, you ole Bush hater at it again. I'm glad you're in Mexico, 'cause its gonna kill you, Krugman and all those Hollywood idiots when Bush wins the election. Still that would be a sight...Approve


I am no longer in MX. I am not a Bush hater. Kindly keep the on-switch of your brain on when considering more explicitly political posts!

dlw

Apparently, the majority of senior US military officers now believe GWII has turned into a disaster!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1305360,00.html

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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Leviathan
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  		   Posted 9/22/2004 12:15 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
By Sidney Blumenthal!!!!

Give me a break!!!

Sidney Blumenthal is former senior adviser to President Clinton and Washington bureau chief of Salon.com

Nice try!!!

Let me check my driver's license....To see if I was born YESTERDAY!!!
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DLW
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  		   Posted 9/22/2004 1:44 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Levi,
Just because he was an aide of Clinton doesn't mean that the quotes aren't accurate.

The better response is to question the representativeness of the people's whose quotes were selected.

We're having a good discussion of the article over at TWeb.
http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38409

You shouldn't expect CVM people to post a lot on political stuff, so feel free to come on over if you want.

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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feelinahole
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  		   Posted 9/23/2004 11:54 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
For DLW, anyone who isn't conservative (for him, a label meanly right wing), is a fair-minded neutral inidividual (particularly when said person agrees with him). So Sidney is, of course, totally to be trusted and fair.
DLW: btw, its nice for you to actually make that statement. However, your previous posts tell a different story...still, it'll be great for you to be back here when Bush wins. You can't POSSIBLY want Kerry to win. What would you complain about? Approve
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feelinahole
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  		   Posted 9/23/2004 12:17 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
DLW: you know, you should be honest enough to admit you are a liberal, rather than act that someone such as Sidney would actually write a piece in support of Bush. You quote things such as Salon and Guardian and then wonder why conversatives don't fall down on their knees to worship at your view. I am of the opinion that most of us simply read (by and large) those things which support what we believe to be the truth...you are no different except you won't admit it.
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